Site Check Please! Gages!

Hi all,
While a few of you may know me, I would ask a favor of a couple of RCM' ers to do me a favor and look at my new commerce site b4 it
goes live.
I was charged with the task of creating a merchant site to offer some really good deals on new overstocked items and such. It will be about 30 days or so before it actually goes live (ie accept CC, paypal, etc.. I am trying to figure the Merchant Account thing out)
Checkout :www.surplusgage.com
See if it looks ok, if the graphics are ok, formatting and descriptions are good and such...
Feedback is MUCH needed!
Thanks
Freddie
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Fred wrote:

Looks good in IE 5.5 and Mozilla 0.9.6, but I get a blank screen in Netscape 4.77. Viewing page source shows plenty of code, it's just not displaying anything.
Jon
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 08:13:39 -0700, Jon Anderson

Hi Jon:
ASFIK: Netscape 4.77 does have trouble interperting XML and some of the w3 extensions. The question is :
Should I downgrade a site to support 4 year old browser, I think not.
Upgrade your frigging browser - BOZO

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Take it easy, Fred! He was just giving you the information that you, yourself asked for. He didn't tell you that you should change anything, just informed you of a problem, as requested.
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:32:08 -0400, Mike Graham
Yup, your right.
Sorcery to jump on people... Was up all night, I appreciate all the feedback. I should take "chill pill" and forget about the site for a few days...
Sorry to anyone I pissed off. '
Freddie

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You wanted feedback ("... MUCH needed!") and when you get it you call the poster a "BOZO"? You expect people to patronize you? Not me. Bob
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Fred wrote:

I have a better idea. Detect non-XML browsers and put up a message:
"Update your Frigging Browser, You are a Bozo and I don't sell to BOZOs"
Seriously, I thought the site looked quite nice with Netscape 7.1, and you had some products that I'd be interested in. But with the attitude you showed toward Jon, I don't believe I'll be doing any business with you.
There are any number of reasons why a person might have to use a 4 year old browser, or for that matter, even a text-only browser. It's bad enough to deny them access to your site, but calling them a Bozo is just unacceptable to me.
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scribed:
Jim;
Thank you. You are absolutely correct. I made a off color comment to a person who was just trying to help me correct the flaws of my own doing... I have realized the faults, and are working to correct them
You are excellent to point the problems out, and I thank you.
I have made a formal apology to Jon, and the Newsgroups in general for by abhorrent behavior
Fred

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Fred wrote:

It's no big deal. I don't like IE any.version and Mozilla runs slower than a snail on my poor old 200hmz computer. I've got a faster Dell sitting next to the desk but have just been too busy to finish transferring all my files and getting Mozilla up and running. As long as ebay still works with Netscape, I'm fine with it.
But really though, lots of folks are still using older browsers and it might be helpful if at least some message could be displayed letting the viewer know why they aren't seeing the site.
Jon
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 16:28:14 -0700, Jon Anderson
Thanks Jon:
You are correct in that everyone does not have the latest wiz-bang browser and I need to fix the content to be compatible on all fronts.
I appreciate the feedback, and will try to suss out the problem...
Funny you mention eBay, as I am using the same storefront software that they use (Miva) and the company say's it is compatible with all browsers.
Investigation ongoing...
Thanks again,
Fred

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Fred wrote:

Well, it's funny you should mention that. I've begun to notice once in a while a whole lot of stuff downloads for a specific auction, but I only see the top screen full and there's nothing to scroll down to for either pictures/descriptions nor even bidding. More and more folks are getting more sophisticated in their auction formatting. Might be something in the code from one of the auction creating/management programs.
Jon
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I loaded your page with Netscape composer 4.8, saved and then loaded the merchant.mvc in Dreamweaver2. I had dreamweaver clean up html and then saved the page. Now Netscape 4.8 loads the merchant.mvc (local saved version) just fine.
A note to people using the 4.x netscapes, you might try loading the web pages that don't work in Composer (if you have it installed) instead of Navigator.
Thor
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Thanks Thor:
I am going to do just that too, although Miva dynamically generates the page with session ID and other stuff, so I may either be in there dynamic html generation, or the headers and footers I added... They also have a new version 4.18 merchant out but my Host has not done an upgrade yet... Supposed to fix a lot of bugs...
Cheers,
Fred

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Hey Thor:
I tracked down a version of NN 4.7 and did a few tests in Dreamweaver MX, and after running the tidy up HTML command, still was a problem... I went through the code line by line, and I found an improperly nested <table> tag, cleaned that out and voila, problem fixed... I also found quite a few empty <font> tags and other clutter that MX's cleanup missed...
Apparently to have the purported "best" authoring tools does not a expert site designer make...
As others had suggested in a site development group, I went to the dreamweaver site with NN 4.7 and utter chaos... I guess they dropped some major support for older browsers in their upgrade. If even their own site does not play by the rules...
While Dreamweaver is a great tool, I am now a little more cautious and will go through all 900 pages of our main site to make sure everything if working good in the older browsers.
Thanks for your help.
Fred

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If you have the need to find the older browsers in the future you might try http://browsers.evolt.org /
I used Macromedia DreamWeaver 2.0 to check the html code. There are other programs out there but this is what I had on hand at the time. I kind of prefer the older programs to the newer ones. There is doctor html at http://www2.imagiware.com/RxHTML / and that will do a single page analysis for free. I just ran my web page through Dr.html and found a spelling error<blush>. I also ran your page www.surplusgage.com through and it found a couple of errors, Line 3 The close tag </HEAD> was not found, though the open was. You should open and close the HEAD tag in order to get consistent performance on all browsers.
I hope this helps, Thor
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slower
put more memory in it. 64mb is about the minimum upgrade to Mozilla 1.4, it's really fast
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One thing that old Netscape is really good for is finding uncompleted nesting in HTML code. I suspect they use a recursive algorithm that just sits in limbo if it doesn't complete. I am far from an expert, but I found out the hard way that if I didn't close all of my frames properly then Netscape wouldn't work, though everything else did. You don't have frames in your site, but you *do* have tables. You have a section here: <br> <table width="100%" height="166" border="0"> <tr>
<td width="53%" align="center"><a href="http://surplusgage.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=SG&Category_Code=MIC "><img src="graphics/00000001/240micset.gif" width="252" height="183" border="0"></a></td> <td width="47%" align="center"><img src="graphics/00000001/cs52-570-101.gif" width="189" height="183"></td> </tr>
where you don't close the table with a </table> code. This may (!) be the problem. There *is* a </table> code right after the section I quoted, but it matches with the <table ...> code right after the <blockquote>. If you count the <table ...> codes and </table> codes by just doing a 'find' for 'table' then you'll see that you have one more '<table...>' than you do </table>s.
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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:56:47 -0400, Mike Graham
Thanks Mike! Your probably right on this as I recall the same error from building our website.. Don't close the table and it never serves it up... For NN 4+ anyway...
Appreciate the help!
Fred

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:56:47 -0400, Mike Graham
Mike:
Yup, that was it... Thanks for the help and feedback.
Fred

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    Sure enough -- totally blank. I get the same effect in amaya, and a view source there shows only down to the <body> tag, and from there nothing until the </body> tag. Very strange.
    Good Luck,         DoN.
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