The Maytag Man came by today

OOps! Sorry, Dan. I replied to your post as if it was you who had originally posted the one about the opting out of SS form (It was Ron Thompson!). You, obviously, did not say anything to me in that regard. Had my head in a dark place, apparently. Apology extended!

Harold

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On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:19:21 GMT, Bert brought forth from the murky depths:

Wouldn't it have been possible for a single pair of detectives to find out what Wally World did and bring them to court? I feel that the case was given far too much time and manpower to bring in. YMMV.

No, but I've seen editorials showing lists given to them by the IRS which show the millions of dollars owed by large companies which they never went after. They showed the small amounts the service collected and the vast majority was from people making under $100k. I'll see if it was googled and linked in one of the forums I browse and list it for you if I can.

ACK.

Stop letting doctors get away with giving people -seventeen- different prescriptions and make them actually cure the patient if possible. Point in case: My father was up to 17 different drugs 2 years before he died. My sister and I looked into it and asked the doctor to remove the obvious ones.

He had high blood pressure so they gave him a blood pressure drug, Lopressor (IIRC). It caused nausea so they gave him an anti-nausea drug which caused itchiness so they give him an anti-itch drug. "BTW, Doc, he still has high blood pressure. WTF are you trying to do to my father, or do you care?"

Anyway, we got him down to 10 or so plus some herbs and he had a much better time for those two last years with CHF, Congestive Heart Failure.

If doctors did their job, people wouldn't suffer like they do. Do you know that new doctors don't have to sign the Hippocratic Oath any longer? Don't quote me on this but I think the new motto required to graduate from med school is "GIVE ME ALL YOUR MONEY!"

Sorry. Call it campaign funding. Better term. But not just presidential. ALL campaigns, from city council on up.

1) Because it wouldn't be publically funded. (we'd save money) 2) Because if the money went into a non-disclosure kitty, it wouldn't be subject to the abuses which now exist.

One can buy a politician nowadays, y'know. Just donate a million bucks to his campaign fund. If Candidates A, B, C, and D received $400, $25k, $125k, and $14M for their campaign and donors were listed, who do you think would be a bought (wo)man? Now put it all into a kitty containing $14,150,400. Each candidate now gets $3,537,600 to run their campaign but nobody knows who donated what and no single man was bought. (Of course, the large donor probably wouldn't be putting that much into the fund, would he?) Wouldn't you feel better listening to all the candidates equally vs. just the one who had the money to run 400 commercials and buy double spreads in the newspaper? I'd like to slow, if not stop, the corruption in our government.

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And lo, it came about, that on Tue, 18 Nov 2003 10:43:09 GMT in rec.crafts.metalworking , Gunner was inspired to utter:

Should follow the Chilean model.

All those who are retired will continue to get their pension from the government. Those close to retiring, too. If memory serves, there was a sliding scale depending on how close to retirement you were.

Everybody else got a choice of pension planning. You were required to open a pension account and fund it with a percentage of your income (there was a maximum limit as well.) The were (I think) 14 funds vetted by the Government, and you had your choice. You could pile up money now, retire when you were fifty five, and take up fishing. Or you could pile it up, then keep working till you got "old". Or variations on those theme. But it was _your_ money in the pension plan, and your heirs got what was left.

Oh yes, when the change-over was made, there was an option to get the government pension anyway. This was chosen by an extremely small number of people, mostly Socialists.

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pyotr filipivich

Our state government had a proposal that politicians election expenses be paid from public funds. There was a stink when it came out that the opposition party had secretly agreed to it and it was quietly dropped.

I actually think it is a good idea.

Each candidate be allowed one A4 leaflet per elector at public expense, to be bundled in one envelope with all the other candidates leaflets and posted in one mailing.

Thats it

- no radio/TV/magazine advertising/lies, including political party advertising.

If all candidates agree, they may have a radio/tv debate with each allowed equal time - wouldn't that make the top rating!

The candidates may hold as many rallies/meetings etc as they want to explain their policies in their electorate. Councils/cities should be required to permit rallies in public parks/halls at no charge to all candidates but any expenses such as private hall hire to come from their own pockets and be a non deductible expense. Any cash donations by others would automatically disqualify the candidate from office. Supporters would not be prevented from canvassing on the candidates behalf, which is as it should be. One can always tell them to bugger off - but do it politely - PLEASE bugger off VBG Alan in beautiful Golden Bay, Western Oz, South 32.25.42, East 115.45.44 GMT+8 VK6 YAB ICQ 6581610 to reply, change oz to au in address

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alan200

Not a problem.

There is indeed a form. But IIRC you have to swear that you are a member of the clergy of a sect that takes care of retired clergy. Or that you object on religous grounds. It has been a very long time since I looked at it.

Dan

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Dan Caster

Hey, if the company is found guilty then fine them to recover the costs, and then put some extra on top to discourage this from happening again, and again, and again....

Jim

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jim rozen

I have no problems with tax reductions or elimination for charitable organizations, churches pay no property tax, and serve individuals well. I do object to St Gobain glass and Aire Liquide paying a lower tax rate on their property than I pay on my residence. Especially since the parent companies are both in france, our totally unreliable allies. IF the street in front of my house is repaired, (replaced) Guess who gets the bill? If the street in front of either of the above mentioned entities is replaced, and they do not replace their own private roads, I also get to pay my share of their replacement, they pay nothing. I can see no reason for private individuals to be forced out of homes they can no longer afford, and industry gets a free ride. While it is true that they provide some employment, without the people they employ, they could not exist.

Production mill, U.S. Milling machine co, looks to be mid to late

40's. Soon as it's repaired, I'm going to dump it. Cutting keyways by the thousands is something I don't need to do. (Excess backlash in the knee screw, think a thrust bushing is gone, haven't really looked yet.) Next spring before I do any more on it, too damn cold to work in the garage. Got a number 1 B&O, scraping the old paint and filler off, then will try to make it look good again. Got full set of tooling with it, including a damn nice box mill. Mechanically it's in good shape, has a bunch of tapped holes that need to be plugged, none of any real consequence, just looks like hell. Couple of old bandsaws, one with a 7 inch throat, the other with 24 inch throat. Little one's cute as hell. Paid $2 for the little one, $4 for the bigger. Cheap entertainment.

New computer coming today, 2.66ghz P4, one gig memory, 120 gig hard drive. Linux box, screw anything micro$oft. Tired of windoze crashing on frame 230 of a 500 frame animation. SuSe linux 9.0 Pro edition. Got win XP on the 2 ghz pentium now, haven't found anything it will run without crashing reliably. Just say no to anything micro$oft touched, it's polluted.

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On 19 Nov 2003 11:27:00 -0800, jim rozen brought forth from the murky depths:

Hmmm, how would you like to foot the bill for abusive legal excesses which were caused by the gov't not doing their job in the first place? If illegals weren't already in the country you wouldn't have been able to use a company who hired them. Or let's say you want to divorce your wife. Since you started it, she hires a 43 man team to track your every move. That runs every credit card you have to its limit and they sue you for the rest. Is that fair and just, too?

Don't pile on extra crime/stupidity just because someone might be found guilty of another.

And who pays for it if they're found innocent? (We do!) Please don't lend credibility to already poor decisions.

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Larry Jaques

Ha! Sort of eliminates the old agnostic, then! Also exonerates the CPA, who told me I had no outs. He was right.

Harold

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Harold & Susan Vordos

I do object to St Gobain glass and Aire Liquide paying a lower

'Nuff said! :-) Good exception to my comment. We shouldn't be paying their share of taxes, and as individuals we won't as long as we don't buy their products. They're not like gasoline, a product that effects all of us one way or another.

Sort of makes my 1 Ghz machine look a bit outdated, yes?

I don't have a clue about any operating system but Windose, thus I'm not unhappy with what I have. I've had very few problems, nothing worthy of mention. Likely a sign of ignorance being bliss, though, if the Widows hating crowd is right. Mean time, try to not educate me so I become unhappy with what I have, I can't afford to upgrade. :-)

How about a report on the new computer after you get used to it? I can't even imagine one that runs that fast.

Harold

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That would never fly. Makes too much senes! :-)

Harold

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