I recently posted a picture of a successful very high hold milling operation in a grinder vise on one of those machinist groups. It was a no-name import I am sure. I got a little respect and a little reasonable fear, but more than plenty who were adamant that it was 112% stupid and those vises have no holding force and are worthless on anything but a grinder. "You should get an Orange Vise," or "GASP!!!!!! Its not a Kurt," were common refrains. I explained how I had already done horsepower calculations for the operations, and the etched in... well... aluminum and steel FACT that I run that high hold every single day on almost every part I make. That I have four machines with five similar vises setup with machined in place ledges for a high hold and I run them that way every day and have for years. Mostly I cut aluminum, but I have cut brass, 4140HT, and 304 stainless this way. "Its not a KURT!!!" "You should get an Orange!!!"
Okay, here is the real reason. I don't work on a half million dollar VMC owned by my boss and his bank in somebody else's shop. Every machine I have I paid for and I own them. This means I have small machines. A Kurt or an Orange is 40% physically larger than a similar grip range screwless grinder vise. I don't have working envelope to throw away with my dollars.
"AN ORANGE IS NOT 40% LARGER FOR ITS GRIP RANGE!!!!!"
Really? It doesn't have a fixed jaw that is several times longer than the fixed jaw on a grinder vise? It isn't several times longer than it is deep? ... or does it phase shift through 9 dimensions so it CAN occupy the same space at the same time as the column when you shift it back far enough to actually use the work envelope of a small machine? The moving jaw is not also much longer than the moving jaw on a grinder vise not only making the jaw space a lot bigger, but also requiring longer sliding surface to run out on to open?
I haven't seen every type mill vise there is, but I think have around ten of them from 4 inches to 8 inches and every single one of them is like this. How is an Orange vise smaller than all of them?
The only real space saving feature I have seen on a lock down mill vise is a recessed heck socket drive instead of an exposed bolt head style drive. It was still bigger than a comparable size grinder vise. In fact I can drop a 6 inch grinder vise in less space than a 4 inch mill vise and close the doors on my smallest machine. I actually tried a 4 inch mill vise (with no cast mounting flanges) set as far back as it would go without crashing into the column. The doors wouldn't close.
Then there is this. Maybe a grinder vise won't clamp down as hard as a mill vise, but with no special tuning of a premium high end over priced brand it also has virtually zero jaw lift. This means the jaws remain perpendicular to is own flat sliding surfaces and hold flatter on the stock.
I must be inferior for not using my boss's Orange vise on my boss's half million dollar financed VMC, in my boss's financed or rented shop.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
So I wonder how much chemical waste is still being dumped int he ocean from the off shore manufacture of solar panels.