What is this newsgroup for?

You got a link to where there was a lot of discussion on the subject. Sheesh you to noodle.

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2008 07:54:00 -0800, with neither quill nor qualm, "SteveB" quickly quoth:

You want filtered? Google for "disston nib" on rec.woodworking.

Kwitcherbitchen, ya lazy bastid.

In theory, it's a wonderful concept. If you have a question, google it and not bother the group. But what if people use different terminology to refer to something? Google may have neat-o algorithms, but it searches for what you type in, not what you think.

CRS Cold Rolled Steel or Can't Remember Spit?

Toolpost - rocker, turret, or quick change? Wedge, piston, or clamp?

By asking the group, the collective mind can identify the items in question, sort through the myriad little permutations, and come up with a pretty good pointer to the needed information. Maybe not at GHz speeds, but in ways that Deep Blue just can't.

SteveB wrote:

beat me to it. I use Google first, but sometimes you get too many worthless hits and no answers. A quick point to the right search words or phrase is a big leg up.

Louis Ohland wrote:

Kudos for bringing this up. I agree that every single post should be followied with an informative answer - and a Google link if appropriate... If we actually answer the questions here, we draw true metal workers here to talk with us rather than drive them away with our "go ask in a better place" answers...

Cool! I wonder how you'd feel if you went to your doctor and he tells you " you have a disease, now go Google the name for info and treatment options"

What we really need is someone to delete the OT crap just as soon as it gets posted so no one has to be bothered with it. Come to think of it, that would remove your post wouldn't it?

Some of us know some not. This is far better to ask than to read some of this crap spam! Very little real news group anymore.

This was once a lively and well going group. Now grouchy and some twits.

Martin

Mart> In theory, it's a wonderful concept. If you have a question, google it

I agree with Gerry. Furthermore it's better for a newbie to get a real time answer. For a quick Q/A there are other services(mainly from Yahoo because Google answers are off)

Sephiroth "Time is the best teacher, but unfortunately, it kills all of its students. - Robin Williams "

"Joe AutoDrill" wrote

Thank you. At times during my work day, I'll ask a newsgroup question about something I'm working on, or having a problem with. I don't have the time to sit and read through millions of Google hits, some of which leave me scratching my head thinking "How did they get there from the keywords I gave?" I'll come back in a couple of hours, and someone has posted the answer, and then I'm back out there applying the new knowledge.

I guess that's the difference. Some here actually get out there and do something, and don't have the time to be Google experts. I prefer to hear from people doing it rather than those who merely have read about it, and think their ability to bookmark information has some value over actual performance and places them on some higher intellectual plane.

Yes, Google is a vast repository of information. And a savvy hunter can find lots of good stuff. It's just that some time I don't have the time to sit down that long and search through all that information.

And if people don't like it, it is easy to pass it over without comment.

Steve

When I get a million nebulous Google hits, I shift to the clustered search system offered by

Regards,

Edward Hennessey

Usually because the 'hijack your eyeballs' sites have a hidden 'Keywords Page' that lists every possible dictionary term that refers to the page they want you to see - and usually has nothing at all to do with the page they sent you to.

You have to do a 'sanity check' on the domain and page title the initial search gives you, and have all your antivirus and pop-up blockers turned on when you click, in case it's a rogue site.

And every time that Google and other search engines come up with a way to ignore those kinds of dirty tricks, the people who run the pages figure out a new way around them.

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So, let me understand this. Are you actually saying that this Google search thing that some high brows tout here is actually flawed and the best thing since creamy peanut butter?

Steve ;-)

Used to be my favorite search engine... But I guess I slowly migrated over to the borg...

On Thu, 03 Jan 2008 08:09:28 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, "Pete C." quickly quoth:

(You meant chunky peanut butter, didn't you, Steve?)

How so, Pete? Give us a f'rinstance, por favor.

I think you got a good answer, Steve. You got much more than "Google It", you got a link to a specific site where the question had been recently discussed.

There was no simple answer to your question. If you followed up on rec.woodworking, you'd have found out that there are a great many opinions as to the reasons for the nib. I know, as I was one of the posters there. Rather than trying to remember all the possibilities and then type them out, the poster told you exactly where to find the whole discussion thread. Nothing wrong with that.

If you'd asked a question that could be answered with just a few words you might have some reason to bitch about it. But you didn't.

John Martin

I think you got a good answer, Steve. You got much more than "Google It", you got a link to a specific site where the question had been recently discussed.

There was no simple answer to your question. If you followed up on rec.woodworking, you'd have found out that there are a great many opinions as to the reasons for the nib. I know, as I was one of the posters there. Rather than trying to remember all the possibilities and then type them out, the poster told you exactly where to find the whole discussion thread. Nothing wrong with that.

If you'd asked a question that could be answered with just a few words you might have some reason to bitch about it. But you didn't.

John Martin

The answers I got were: It's a decoration. I don't know. It's a stop. Those are answers of just a few words.

Not good enough for you, though.

Sorry you missed the point, John, and returned to the saw question. It's not about the saw, it's your and others attitude of "Google it yourself, you lazy bastard." For various reasons, people do not want to wade through all that information just to get a simple answer. This is evidenced by our society, and society in general, wanting fast food and fast information. Fast this and fast that. There is a new vocabulary for texting and chatroomese. Acronyms for total sentences. And there are still the old farts and young ones who insist on proper spelling and doing it the old way. Whatever turns yer crank.

For me, I just want fast information. I don't want to wade through tons of information when a couple or three people can answer what it is I'm asking about. I just can't do it. For you to expect me to perform to your expectations and requirements is ludicrous and narcissistic. You know nothing about me, or my limitations. It is snobbish of you to refer to the vast body of information and say go find it yourself. I don't want to, and don't have the time.

A few years ago, I had an industrial accident where I sustained a TBI. (You can find it in Google.) ;-) I am impaired when faced with large amounts of information or having to remember lots of things. I no longer read, as I forget a lot of what I've read only minutes later. It's just part of the deal, and it isn't going to get any better. So, you will just have to pardon me for asking what may seem to you a dumb question with an easy answer. Perhaps you need to join discussion groups of high intellectual content and deep thinking.

I'm truly sorry that those of us here who don't know everything are such a bother to those of you who do. And that there are some here who are not functioning at the high levels of performance and expectations of others, and just doing the best they can with the cards they were dealt.

Not!

You have a nice day.

Steve