Rant: Some scrap dealers have no standards

It is if it's functional, which is my point.

Chris

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Christopher Tidy
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You're missing 'my' point. Few people want old obsolete machines, especially if they're nearing the end of their useful life. They might still be functional, and if someone can make use of them fine, but most engineering Co's wont be interested in buying them, including the majority of m/c tool dealers, so they finish up going to the scrap man. His main business is selling scrap, so unless a potential buyer happens to spot it before it's broken up, it's gone. It's just not practical to save all old machinery, even if it is still functional, the chances are that by the time it's chucked out, it's become either uneconomic to maintain, or uncompetitive compared to a new or later machine. Mike.

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Mike G

"Mike G" gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

*ding*

Sentiment only goes so far. When the scrap value is high, as are the transport and storage costs to _not_ scrap it, the distance the sentiment goes is radically shortened.

Reply to
Adrian

My bandsaw is very well adjusted. It never talks back to me and doesn't have a chip on its shoulder

Regards, Tony

Reply to
Tony Jeffree

Ok fair point I didn't see that piece of the thread where an agreement had been made, again trust no one and you wont be disappointed :-(

Rob

Reply to
R A

This sounds like one of those "They ought to do X" rants.

If you are so concerned about the fate of old JCB's I'm sure you could get a Lottery grant to set up a JCB rescue charity. In the meantime, deal with reality and get over it; if there were people out there prepared to pay more than the scrap value, you can be sure that the scrappy would have figured that out way faster than you - at the end of the day, he wants to make money.

Regards, Tony

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Tony Jeffree

Perhaps it is. What's wrong with that?

There is demand for these machines, and they can and do sell for more than scrap value. I'm just annoyed that the seller couldn't be bothered to find a buyer who would make use of the machine.

In case the condition of the machine is in doubt, here's a picture:

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Best wishes,

Chris

Reply to
Christopher Tidy

Yes, but engineering companies and machine tool dealers don't make up the whole of the market, by a long way.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Christopher Tidy

So who's left ? Not the 0.001% of garden shed would be muckanics who then get something like this, sit on it for 20 years and then the next of kin sends it on it's way to where it should have gone in the first place.

In another thread on here a guy in Ashfield has 3 old machines we wants to break up for scrap and melt down. Now he's getting inquiries about selling them. He's had them, unused and unloved for ages and now someone else is going to transport them home to do exactly the same with.

If there was or had been a use for them they would have found a working home by now.

All my working life I have been friends or had dealings with many scrap men. In the early rose tinted glasses days [ before the bottle bottoms ] I once asked why they didn't save some of the more useful gear. The reply was they would need aircraft hangers to store it.

Last place I worked at had a costing policy of square footage. Each square foot had a value and if whatever stood on that had a lesser value than the cost it went and was replaced by something that produced more.

However don't let us stop you in your quest for preserving these things, you need to start by renting or buying a building big enough to hold all this treasure. However that's your first stumbling block when the rent come up you will have to scrap a couple of bits to pay the bill. Even scrap men have to pay council tax, business rates, insurance and environmental taxes or did you think it was all for free.

John S.

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john

On 11 Jun, 19:49, snipped-for-privacy@stevenson-engineers.co.uk wrote:

=2ETotally agree with all of that John but the one thing you missed is the impact of our new type of very helpful (and green??) councils - I could think of a better name for them but that is what they call themselves. At one time you could get hold of a field and store all of these "treasures" whilst waiting for Mr 0.001% to come along dragging his wallet. Despite being in existence for all of my life and before these sort of yards became "unsightly, dangerous and unhealthy" through the late eighties and suddenly needed planning permission and various licenses and insurance/security to stop some "as***e" hurting himself when he broke in to steal something. Oh how we laughed naively when he got his first letter telling him his security dogs needed muzzles. The "evil scrap man" with the best of that type of yard round our way tried hard to protect his collection and even spent time "at her majesties pleasure" for his efforts. All in vane though as his yard is now green (ish) field that they pay "set aside=94 for. What has to be remembered these days is that we live in a "free" society - free that is to control, stop and charge and "protect" us for anything vaguely useful or productive. We of course as taxpayers contribute greatly to encourage this wonderful local authority job creation scheme. I have to assume that the majority of the population is happy to continue to do so? Please excuse my poor spelling but you will sense the passion I have for this subject =96 now where did I put that old soapbox?

Best regards

Apprentice grumpy old man

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jontom_1uk

I agree entirely, what with councilors being there (Why?) unselfishly? for =A3xxxxxx pa along with a taxpayer paid pension (retire early). Pensioners have to take money from their pension to donate to the govt workers pension. Sorry I did not mean to use the word worker I mean somebody employed in the non-productive zone. They consider themselves public servants I think the taxpayers their servant. So what with them lording it over us along with HSE executive officers aiding and abetting them. Rant not completely over pressure relief valve just when off, have to build up a bigger head of steam for next rant. Regards Alan

Reply to
jackary

As is usually the case with this kinds of rant, "they" aren't listening so all it is is a totally ineffectual whinge on the part of the ranter.

Regards, Tony

Reply to
Tony Jeffree

Gentlemen

You are taking me back to the days when there were scrap dealers who lived in a caravan in a corner of an overgrown field and knew exactly which bramble bush the engine or what ever it was that you were after was lurking under. I always thought that they used to do a quick tour of the field every day before breakfast just to refresh their memory, but I suspect that with current metal prices they might have been tempted to dispose of most of their stock. After all, as Danny, my local dealer, used to say: "It's illegal not to make a profit".

Ron Robinson

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R N Robinson

Our old car failed it's MOT. I phoned the local scrappy to ask how much to take it away and was gobsmacked when I was offered £60 for it

- it's an M reggie \\toyota.

Reply to
Sandy Morton

Hold out for £100...

Regards, Tony

Reply to
Tony Jeffree

I got £60 for my 2.5l V6 Vectra estate, driven in. I was a bit pissed because I know that the trade rate is £200 for them at the moment as scrap (collected)

Mark Rand RTFM

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Mark Rand

Chris , Here is a link to an image of my saw. It is up on the tray of my utility in this picture , I had some trouble getting it off . I have the machine stripped down at the moment ,ready for a paint job and a few minor mechanical repairs. As you will see its a monster of a thing ,but well woth 70.00AUD.

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Kevin(Bluey)

I got offered 80 for my soon to be MOT-less xlwb transit - 2.5t unladen.

I loaded it full of "junk" (wot swmbo calls it) and drove it to the local scrap metal dealers (not car breakers).

paid me £500 for it (after I took the wheels off)

I didn't pay that for it with 12 months MOT :.)

Reply to
bigegg

Thanks for the picture. Looks similar to my Qualters & Smith hacksaw. It also looks a bit like a Gate-Velox, but I imagine it's a machine unique to Australia.

Best wishes,

Chris

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Christopher Tidy

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