Yeah, but it's so tempting. Nice pictures BTW.
You aren't from any chance from Macon, Ga, are you?
Dave
Yeah, but it's so tempting. Nice pictures BTW.
You aren't from any chance from Macon, Ga, are you?
Dave
Try to keep in mind a mental picture of someone shouting about Jews into an empty hall, getting more and more angry as nobody replies. Finally, a blood vessel gives out and the Troll expires...
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True, but off-topic in comp.robotics.misc.
Here is some fine advice from the Irish FAQ at
A troll is an attempt to start a prolonged flame war (a fierce argument with rude, personal insults). A troll is usually an article that is so outrageous, insulting and stupid that you feel you have to reply.
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Good gravy!!!
What hath Evolution wrought on us?
Troll-town!
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karen715j@yahoo:
I forgot to give the link:
-- Stephen Hawking
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Date: 2001-09-01 15:47:04 PST Saturday September 1 3:37 PM ET
Physicist Warns Humans About A.I.
BERLIN (AP) - People get ready: the machines are coming.
That's the word from famed British physicist Stephen Hawking, who says if humans hope to compete with the rising tide of artificial intelligence, they'll have to improve through genetic engineering. karen715j: This was a misquote, not that it matters much.
He conceded that it would be a long process, ``but we should follow this road if we want biological systems to remain superior to electronic ones.''
``In contrast with our intellect, computers double their performance every 18 months,'' he added. ``So the danger is real that they could develop intelligence and take over the world.''
``We must develop as quickly as possible technologies that make possible a direct connection between brain and computer, so that artificial brains contribute to human intelligence rather than opposing it,'' Hawking said.
Hawking, the author of the best-selling ``A Brief History of Time,'' holds a prestigious Cambridge University chair once held by Sir Isaac Newton.
The 59-year-old lives with Lou Gehrig's disease and uses a motorized wheelchair and computer voice synthesizer.
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------------------------------------------------------------------------ karen715j: Back to ocrazor at imminst:
Brief Background Actually, the field has been around since the early 1900's when researchers began recording from neurons with single electrodes. This type of research comprises the sub-discipline of neuroscience known as electrophysiology. For the last century the state of the art was to insert one or more glass electrodes into a single neuron for recording or stimulation. Only in the last decade have scientists been able to record and stimulate large populations of neurons. The previous limitations of electrode technology and computational power have now been overcome.
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Doubling performance does not lead to developing intelligence. We are not in danger of being swamped by more intelligent computers any time soon. We are in 'danger' of something unknown in 2035 according to Verner Vinge and all calculations support his projections made back in the 70's. May be Hawkins is better off reading up on that.
But this from another post
Noam Chomsky if listening and Marvin Minsky and all experts at MIT and CMU AI departments are welcome to pontificate on this - its a pretty serious problem - I just can't see where the programming of the brain is taking place. Its not just us - but monkeys and other animals all have a huge amount of information programmed in before birth and this diversity of information means there must be a software tape somewhere that contains the diversity - but as we know its probably not in the DNA. I like to think its coming down the umbelical cord - but then there are creatures like chickens that are born programmed from an egg without the mother to chick direct umbelical cord link. It doesn't leave much room for innovative ideas.
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karen715j (me) quotes Stephen Hawking:
e7:
As I recall, Vinge suggested it might be any of a number of things: 1 - Standard computer type SuperIntelligence 2 - Quantum computer type SuperIntelligence 3 - SUPERBORGS (Not actually Vinge's word) 4 - The internet itself suddenly taking on some sort of "consciousness" or something and having (somehow) it's own interests like a corporation or church or animal or plant -- or something 5 - Other unpredictable SuperIntelligence suddenly emerging (Google???)
But the SUPERBORG vs. machine intelligence seems like a definte possible important political faceoff.
Hawking and I are on the side of the SUPERBORGS.
Odds are, of course, that we are thinking about something totally irrelevant to the future of KINDNESS.
But it (could be) so important, and is so interesting (to me), that I feel justified in spending a lot of time encouraging private and government to support cyborg research.
BUT ONLY IF THERE ARE PLENTY OF WEBCAMS IN THE LABS!!!!!!!
AND!!!!!!!!! MOST EXPERIMENTS, WHEREEVER FEASIBLE, SHOULD BE DONE ON HUMANS!!! NOT!!!! ANIMALS!!!!!!
e7:
Several people have given excellent explanations for you. Re-read them and attempt to slowly, carefully explain what is wrong with their refutation of you.
Maybe you'll find you mental block. Maybe you'll come up with something new and interesting to say. IMNSHO.
e7:
No they haven't. Each response is dependent on dismissing many known factors and completely self refuting.
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True intelligence doesn't rely on programming. Explain to me how to program a computer to invent calculus from scratch? It is simply impossible. Neural Nets look like they are gettin close to this area. but mostly don't self teach themselves.
At least i agree with you here. No encodings of "intelligence" in the DNA. Primitive movements though are in the DNA.
Umbilical chord only transfers food, and any "information" is digested though a mixture of acids. And when did the first idea to flap the wings come, if not through DNA then from where?
Percival
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