Jerry, none of the individuals you quoted are ATF employees. The problem is not what the law _says_, it's how the ATF "interprets" the law. That is where the lack of clarity comes into play, since their "interpretation" is often in direct contradiction to the law.
You are so busy reflexively posting the opposite of what I say (the regs), you are always wrong, and quite proud of it.
Jerry
"What I find "typical" about this is here they have an expert they could learn from and ask useful questions, but instead they attack you. Over and over. In an infantile fashion. Remind you of anything??"
On at least one count, we have a clear ruling from the court. Hobby rocket motors are exempt from regulation. Now, who do we call to arrest any one who trys to enforce illegal rules?
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
I poked at this a few weeks ago during the initial design phase of my Level-1 project, a 5.5x upscale of the Estes Streak. Various ejection charge calculators indicate the need for 1.25 (averaged) grams of BP to eject the nose cone and parachute by altimeter at 400 feet.
Since the corner of southeastern Georgia where I live practically qualifies as a Third-World country there is no local source of FFFg black powder within practical driving distance.
I've constructed a test rig with leftover body tube (even at 5.5x a Streak uses less than half of a 48 inch tube) a bulkhead plate and my nose cone. I filled the empty space with dog barf to simulate the parachute and harness. When ignited, the nose cone did come off, but the wadding stayed in place because the exhaust stream of the motor simply punched a hole roughly the size of a pencil through the mass of wadding.
Apparently (and I have no instrumented readings to back this up but it passes the TLAR test) a BP ejection charges fires in a few dozen milliseconds generating copious amounts of gas instantenously. Even though the 1/2A3T-2 I used burns for less than half a second the slowly rising pressure curve lets too much gas escape around the nosecone shoulder to provide the 'kick' required to reliably get the laundry up and out.
A piston design *might* work, but there is no way to fit a piston into the Streak. Some googling returned a few pages where people have had success with Pryodex and some smokeless powders and I will try to duplicate their results and see what happens. I hesitate because the level of constraint required to generate the pressure necessary to insure complete combustion makes the divide between an ejection charge and a firecracker pretty narrow.
I figured that I would open a can of worms when I posted this question. I thank everyone for the input.
Let me break this down and put it in more simple terms.
I know that the law is a bit "gray" at best. Depending on whom you speak with. And I know some dealers will sell "Easy Access" reloads to anyone and some will only sell to people who have shown them proof of a LEUP. I also know that being L1 or L2 really has no relation to having a LEUP.
So, here are some more direct questions.
To store (legally), in my place of residence, a motor that has 62.5g of propellant I need to have a LEUP. Correct? (Yes, I know in order to store in an attached garage I have to have pre- approval form the local Fire Dept under NFPA 1127 and all the other BATF requirments)
In order for me to put those motors in my car and drive somewhere within state I also need a LEUP??
Again, I'm not concerned with whom or how to get reloads. But rather the storage and transportation of the stuff. And if it is as easy as spending $100.00 to ensure I'm within the law I want to do that.
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