You need to join one of the orgs - NAR or Tripoli. Either one is well
under $100. Then of course you have to buy a rocket (or components
tom make one) and a motor. All together L1 using a kit to make the
rocket will typically cost around $250. It can be done for more of
less than that.
Pure HI'-Per-Ba-Lee Bob.
This is NOT TRUE and it will do nothing but breed misinformation.
Even with the new final ruling of 968, they make it quite clear that they
see a large number of people flying HPR not by getting their own licenses,
but by dealers sponsoring the motor flights directly so the customer does
not need a LEUP. They state this is just fine.
They also encourage clubs to get their own club LEUP and and share a
So, if our new friend above attends a launch with a vendor selling motors,
he does not need to add the $169 for a magazine, nor the $100 for the LEUP
for 3 years, nor the 90 days wait for the permit......
I wish it were the case. The licensing entry barrier to HPR WILL kill off
this hobby, and put us back to 1980. Unfortunately the only way to find out
for real is to have it happen and for us to lose the lawsuit. We can not
afford that option.
Has any one actually got an LEUP in 90 days? Even back in the 90s, mine took
4.5 months (a violation of the statute!). My RENEWAL last time took even
longer, over 6 months.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L >>> To reply, there's no internet on Mars (yet)! <<<
Kaplow Klips & Baffle: http://nira-rocketry.org/Document/MayJun00.pdf
I was amazed when I read that.
There have been many discussions right here about whether a person with an
LEUP could provide his services (for pay or not) to someone without an LEUP.
In particular, the question of if the licensed person could give a reload kit
to an unlicensed person for assembly and use. The answer has always been No.
In addition, there are many concerns if the licenseholder could "assemble" the
motor if they would become a manufacturer and thus subject to more
Now, in this rule, it seems that the ATF is using the "club leup" as an excuse
for why their rules aren't harmful.
They can't have it both ways, folks.
I think it's time to get, in writing, an explaination from the ATF spelling
out how this "club leup" can be used properly because right now it sounds like
this explaination doesn't live up to reality.
There were a lot of other bogus arguments in the Final Ruling, particularly in
the area of the economic effects of the regulation. I think we've _already_
seen those economic effects.
That is not true. It depended on your agent, or agents local office.
I know agents that have encouraged dealer sponsorships and so forth.
this is an example of the non-uniform rules that have plaged us all for
I'm working on this in the UK -here are my thoughts:
Airframes and recovery gear can be negligible cost if you use whats being
thrown out by others and have a bit of glue lying around - getting to the
point at which you know what your doing depends more on where your starting
from. I begged some tubes from varius places and could have used recycled
ply for the fins but spent a couple of dollars instead. Nose cone is made
from card and glue. I spent a couple of dollars on kevlar you but you dnt
have to.... Paint is optional.
Motors are much harder to save money on. If you know people because you
have been to a few launches you may be able to hire or borrow a casing, or
even a Hybrid motor. Any licence you need to buy the motor may be your
biggest cost but hybrids use safe fules so are much easier, it all depends
on what ground support launching equipment you can get the use of because
you may need a licence to get the starter grain used by some systems. Also
with Hybrids you need to sort some kind of ejection for the chute which
could bring more expence will bring more complication. I think solid fuel
motors are favorite if you can get the licence...
You can have a lot of fun by dsigning your own rocket and trying to keep
costs down but you can save a lot of time by spending modest amounts of
money. Either way you need friends who can help with advice and perhaps
equipment - fortunatly rocket people are great at supporting each other, I
think it was Hary Stein who came up with the idea that instead of repaying
thos who help us get started (giving back) we provide similar help to others
starting out (giving forward) - I like that a lot...
Good luck and as a final bit of advice from someone who's trying to do it
cheep and has not quite finnished yet, be carefull whee you skimp, if you
lose the rocket you wast the money.
Depends on where you are located and the club you are going to cert with.
It also depends on your skill level in building, Kit or scratch built, etc.
With a kit you can go from mild to wild, just how deep are your pockets.
Motor cost will depend on several things. How heavy is the rocket. What
motor mount. Do you buy a case or borrow one. Which reload do you use.
Bottom line is if there is a club near you ask around join if you like. Fly
some low and mid power stuff. Get to know people and let them get to know
you. You can usually find someone willing to loan you a motor case if you
promise to replace it if it is lost or damaged. Probably find some one with
a reload too but that will cost you.
Example: From Wildman Rocketry
Kit LOC Graduator $55.95
Misc. Building Supplies $20. to $?
Motor DR Rocket 29-180 $62.95
Reload AT H128W-M $18.95
Member ship to a National ORG NAR $62.00, TRA 70.00
Local club membership not necessary but nice if you intend to fly there. $?
Launch Fee from free to at most $20.00
So if you bought everything $200.00 or more.
If you already have a rocket capable of using 29mm motors that will stand up
to an H and can borrow the motor case it drops to less than $100.00.
First lesson of RMR is to ignore some of the constant posters that just
bitch like little girls all the time. The second lesson will be figuring out
which ones they are.
Good Luck and Have Fun!!!
So do I need LEUP for level 1 HPR and do I need a magazine. As for
going to my local club their is a problem the closest club is Toledo
but they do not put there schedule on the web and the other clubs are
over 2 hours away and that is fine for going to 2 or 3 events in a year
but not very good for getting into a club.
LEUP's and magazines are for handling explosives. If your propellant is not
on the Explosive's List, then you do not need either.
However, you might have the issue of obtaining a level 1 motor anyway. NFPA
1127 requires one be certified to purchase one with noted conditions for the
TARS doesn't list contact information on their website? There are contact
numbers on the NAR find a club page.
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