Aloha, Placing an advance paid order with Aerotech is not a guaranty of getting motors. My friend here in town is/was an Aerotech dealer. He placed an order with them and pre-paid for this order. When 2 years (yes, thats what I said, 2 freaking years) had passed and he still had no motors, he said to hell with it and got a refund. As far as Jerry having certified motors goes...I don't bloody care if they are certified or not. I want motors to burn. If they are not dependable, I will post such on the newsgroup. I have my own land, and an umbrella insurance policy. Certification is nice, but by no means a "must have". If the governing bodies of rocketry are making it hard for motor makers to get into the sport in order to keep the market open for the reemergence of Aerotech, they are doing the sport, and the flyers a disservice. All we want is motors. We don't really care who they came from.