A have been lurking on this group for a awhile and read the "virus alert" thread posted earlier on this group and I just want everyone to know that if you are getting allot of these in your mailbox, there is a good chance that you have the virus.
I am a Computer support tech and I have seen two machines that got hit hard with these emails. One of them was my own machine. I have no Idea how I got it. I know that they are viruses, never opened them and MSN 8 sends them all to my junk folder.
They may not be emails sent to you from other systems, but emails you sent bouncing back to your mail box.
Some systems send the whole email with attachment back to your mailbox which looks like someone sending you the worm. Some systems just send you a short note saying either that the email address isn't valid or that it detected the virus and blocked it.
There are two different worms, you can find the removal tools here.
Just wanted to thank you guys for YET ANOTHER POST that has NOTHING to do with rocketry. The first post I can understand...he's just trying to help out, but the pointless arguments about who's responsible for the viruses and which system is better and blah blah blah blah ahhhhhhh! It's STUPID! Just wanted to let you know. Bye. Randy D Co-Prez, SoJARS
The security holes have nothing really to do with microsoft.
I assure mac and linux have PLENTY their share of security holes.
but only a moron would write a virus for mac and linux.
remember the PURPOSE of a virus is to spread as far and wide as possible.
that means you could make mac and linux the most peice of shit security os's around and you would STILL have VERY few if any viruses or worms written for it. since Attacking LESS THAN 5% of the market is suicide for your worm or virus.
but attacking the OS that runs on 95% of the market. that is smart. it does not matter how secure or insecure it is they will attack it for THAT reason only. 95% of the market.
I am not fond of M$ but I hate seeing false info being dumped around either.
This will be my last post on the subject of Windows malware in this group.
I've already w>> You don't have to post via your provider's newsfeed, either.
You don't say, Duane? Do tell... in fact tell me where I'm posting from... ;)
Meanwhile back to Chris:
!? Er... yes, they do. They designed the product.
Non-sequitur.
A security hole != Windows deliberately built-in virus propagation model.
No.
A moron could not write a virus for Mac or Linux.... 'cause writing a virus for either one takes intelligence, dedication and hard work.
While it is now known to be technically possible to write a virus-like code for Linux it's not _ever_ going to be as big of a problem as Windows virii... because Linux simply does not support the Windows concept of handing the keys to the kingdom to anyone who walks through the door. The infected Linux machine only has the privileges of the user who installed the virus... no more.
And just getting that far took intelligence, dedication, and hard work.
However... a moron _can_ write a virus for Windows using an "off-the-shelf" software kit. And when the moron infects a Windows machine he's given complete control of that machine for his purposes.
No.
It isn't.
The purpose of a virus, the software kind, is to publicly demonstrate the prowess of the virus writer.
If writing Linux virii were as easy as the Windows kind then the Linux world would be inundated just the same as Windows.
Again: Only Windows makes this crap POSSIBLE. And MS openly encourages this. Their reasons are based on economics and pursuit of market share, but that does not make them any less responsible for being very aware of the problems... and refusing to fix them. (Since fixing them would require junking Windows as it is currently implemented,)
BTW, MS's own servers are hiding from the current flood behind a wall of... ... ... you guessed it... ... ... Linux servers.
No.
You'd have less malware because the Mac and Linux systems Do Not Encourage Malware The Way Windows Deliberately Does.
Can you understand that concept?
Most Windows boosters seem to have trouble understanding that their OS is badly broken right out of the box.
As I indicated above: Any reading of malware psychology profiles will show you that the above statement is just not true.
Their are hacker groups who spend all their free time trying to crack Unix and Linux systems in order to do harm... because despite the fact tht it is diffilcult.
Since they tend to be multi-OS, multitasking creatures they could easily write thousands of Windows virii... and they most certainly do. But they don't write Linux virii. They write network hacking applications and root kits and all the varied tools which can be used to attack Linux systems... but no virii.
Why?
Because Linux does not encourage virus-like models of propagation the way Windows deliberately does.
Well, you do seem to be badly infected with false info... have you run your antivirus scan lately?
Welcome to rmr. Your first lesson learned I see :)
R O F L
You are in effect talking to Chris taylor, right? He is LEGENDARY for "not getting it" nad "changing the subject". Many in this group will not reply to one of his messages for this reason alone. Some have plenty of other reasons. He seems to have rare moments of clarity but they can be found in his shortest messages. He also has moments of productivity, like his sensatonal, if a bit compulsive, coverage of NARAM. A BIG win for Chris IMHO.
I enjoyed this post. Soon you will learn that rocketry administration do not go together with fact and ligic. You WILL be transformed into a troll by rmr. The only protection is escape.
Piss on microsoft for their faults. not because they are being attacked by viruses which would happen no matter what since they have such a large market share.
if linux had a 95% market share they would be getting hammered just as much.
YOU DO NOT NEED AN IS FLAW to get hammered. you just need the millions of idiot no brain users who go Ohh what this tiny obviously a virus attachment. lets click it and see what happens.
you just circumvented EVERY possible OS protection scheme.
1) Windows is an unsecure environment. Unix, VMS, and other REAL OSs have layered security. It's not possible to corrupt the OS form an outside untrusted program.
2) Windows executes mail attachments without checking, allowing anyone to attach harmful programs to their mail messages and have them run on your peecee.
ANY environment with these security design flaws will be forever vulnerable to attack.
LINUX is open source. Windows is not. Any hacker on the planet can download all the Linux Kernel code they want. But there's no way for them to use that knowledge to crack MY Linux box. Because they don't have root access to my system.
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Unix CAN BE SECURED. It may not be out of the box.
Want real security. Go search for the papers from DEFCON a couple years back, when some friends of mine entered a VMS system in the annual hackers convention contest. It was the only box to come out un-hacked. They thought it was so secure, they changed the rules to prevent it from being entered again. But that too will be fixed in a year or maybe two!
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!
Well, that concerns your ignorance of Windows malware so I'll not comment. Although I could...
Well, that concerns Windows malware so I'll not comment. Although I could...
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Well, that concerns your ignorance of Windows malware so I'll not comment. Although I could...
Nonsensical sentence construct, but it seems that you are commenting on your ignorance of Windows malware so I'll not comment. Although I could...
No.
Wrong.
In fact it's so far off it's not even wrong.
You, apparently, have never used Linux or any real operating system.
I say this because you are apparently projecting your Windows experiences upon other OS's... and it just won't fit because it's so wrong.
In Linux it's perfectly possible to try do do something damaging to the system and have the computer tell you, in so many words, "No. You don't have permission to do that."
So the USER (as loudly typed by Chris) can click on one of the Linux prototype virii all day long and the malware will not be able to take control of the machine.
Note: this is not a claim that Linux is invulnerable to attack.
Far from it. But NEITHER DOES LINUX HAVE WINDOWS INSANE VULNERABILITIES TO MALWARE... no matter how loudly Chris types his claims to the contrary :)
klez won't infect a system it's already running on.
Oops... that's a windows malware comment, wasn't it?
but you did just that. you commented yet contributed nothing.
Again you comented even though you say you willnot and again contributed nothing.
Again you comented even though you say you willnot and again contributed nothing.
Again you comented even though you say you willnot and again contributed nothing.
Makes perfect sense to me so your statement is irrelevant to me.
which is a mode of linux I never use. I do not like being told by MY OWN COMPUTER what I can and can not do. so I would almost always be logged in as root.
I decide what I will and will not open. you have no idea how much it pisses me off that their are 7 empty folders in my windows XP program files folder that microsoft has deemed me unworthy of being able to ELIMINATE them.
I want to controll 100% of the aspecs of my computer. if I want to delete something I want to delete it I do not care of doing so will cripple my OS thats MY problem. if you want to WARN me fine but let me reaking do it.
Since many users log into linux as root without realizing the dangers your statement of clicking all day and it telling you that you do not have permission is nonsensical and so wrong that it is beyond wrong. Sound slightly familiar.
sure they will cause they will log in as root the first time it gets in their way and always log in like that. I have had to tell manylinux newbies the dangers of doing this. I prefer root but I am also skilled enough not to click on an obvious virus.
Windows may have lots of problems but this is only for newbie uninformed users. I have NEVER had a problem with windows security. EVEN with blaster. my FIRST introduction to blaster and other crap like pop up messaging windows etc.. was when I jacked my cell phone into my laptop forgetting that I was no longer behind my snug little firewall.
I promptly fixed that with a software firewall for free.
Well it found 40 (ok 39 I think) files that it claimed were infected with the klez 32 virus or whatever it is.
I almost NEVER run virus scanners on my computers. I do not NEED to I do not open viruses. takes VERY little learned skill to know enough not to open viruses.
My system has been running for nearly 4 years without a windows reinstall. from day 1 not a single virus scan. when I found that virus on my dad's machine I decided I had better scan my systems in case he did something that could propogate via my internal totally open network (but protected from outside)
Not a single virus. I uninstalled the program.
ITs been a few years since I have run linux besides knoppix. I got turned sour by it when one of the HD programs to prep your system wiped out 13 gigs of my info. made me a little sour. plus it simply is unable to do what I want. I have one linux machine running simply for fun. as something to play with.
Even blaster could not touch me on my home system. why because as far as the rest of the net is concerned I am invisible not their. all with simple natting.
if the user logs in as root then he just DEFEATED the sold called different than windows security.
Kind of like the Limited account in XP. it will not allow you or a program to execute a downloaded executale. period.
I wish I could ADD files to this "list" (will have to research that I bet I can) so they can not execute pif's and scr's etc..
thankfully now in outlook express I can turn off HTML all together view all messages as plain text (seems pot luck. I installed on lapto and I have this option. used SAME install files on desktop and I do not have this option ?
I can also turn off attachments. will "show" jpegs but greys out the paperclip so dummies can not open clearly viral attachments or any attachment.
ANY os that can safeproof against the user is an os that will NOT last long because it would LOCK down the machine and most users with half a brain would very much not like that.
THAT is the point I was making that HE was ignoring.
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