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-Fred Shecter NAR 20117

Then wrote:

Yeah, I expected more, too. But I guess the ID thread is sucking up everyone's attention.

I read the article. My first thought was that this could lead to tightening of enforcement of the explosives laws resulting in non-explosive propellants getting mroe scrutiny or worse. And the sad irony is that if the BATFEces would worry about the real explosives and forget about us, then maybe this wouldn't have happened, eh?

That said, I caught a snippet on the radio this morning but didn't get the details...did they recover the stolen stuff?

Doug

My first thought - after reading about the sheets of explosives - Keep those cards and letters coming, folks!

OK, here's one:

"No guards and no security cameras."

Bright.

Darwin Award for Mr. Cherry, perhaps?

Mayhaps the thieves will build a "Cherry" bomb.

GAAAAA! DON'T USE THAT WORD!!!!

tah

What? You don't like the word, perhaps?

Perhaps perhaps perhaps!

The federal explosives laws pretty much require that storage be located in remote locations. They also only require weekly inspections. The locks are supposed to keep the site secure. The existing federal regulations probably eliminate about 99% of thefts. As anyone can tell you, there is a law of diminishing returns on just about anything. Controlling that last 1% will cost far more than controlling the first 99%.

To get an idea of the extreme other end of the spectrum, take a look at the newly enacted (without any opportunity for comment) regulations in Pennsylvania. (Look at the news items at

The ATF should be concerned with people who store that kind of stuff and leave the model rocket people alone. Only people who would steal rocket engines would be "evil" rocketeers who would use them up themselves. Wouldn't make a very good explosive device but I expect C4 would. :)

Kurt Savegnago

There is nothing in the regs that require either. And my LEUP requires that I store my "regulated" materials in a LESS secure manner than the way I store my Questes type motors.

Better than that, the BATFE sells their mailing list to junk mailers. I get a handful of junk mail from my LEUP every year. Most of it is either fireworks or gun catalogs. But I once got a "job offer" to be a security guard for a local armored car company, and around Y2K got several survivalist catalogs.

So if any one actually wants to steal explosives, all they have to do is buy the mailing list, and they know exactly where to go to steal all the explosives they need. All thanks to our own inept government over-regulation.

Yes, but there's a difference between what the law requires and what is just "good practice".

I think I'd like to at least have security cameras.

They don't cost a whole lot, either.

Hell, even the local junk yard has security cams.

The bit about ATFE selling mailing lists is troublesome, to put it mildly.

Yes, if it were proven to be true it would be even more troublesome. All we have now though is the supposition from one poster that it has occured. Nobody else has reported the same type of unsolicited mail. That, and the poster is very outspoken about his negative feelings toward the government.

I'm not saying it isn't true. I guess it could be. But I'm not saying it's true, or even probably so, based upon the postings of one anti-government crusader. We've seen no proof or even credible evidence to back the claims.

steve

Since I moved to our "new" house in 1990, I've coded my name and address every time I give it to anyone. There's a unique piece of information in every one, so I can tell when someone sells my name and address. I tell companies that I deal with to NOT do so, and stop doing business with them when they violate my privacy.

A few years later, I was able to help a magazine prove that a competitor had stolen their mailing list.

My ATF application contained one of those unique encodings. It's on my LEUP. And it's on several of those catalogs I mentioned. So it's not a guess, it's a FACT that names and addresses collected from LEUP holders are sold to mass mailers. And it's still going on in the post-911 era.

I thought this was answered before and someone pointed out that they were not "sold", but part of the public record that anyone can go and search, get, use. Just like property records when you own a house.

I have also received unexplained mail.

I received a political fund raising mailing from New York (emergency defeat some evil liberal sort of nonsense). Since the Republican party has no way of knowing who I am (Texas does not require you to declare a party affiliation when you register and I have never voted in the Republican primary.), this was very odd. The state of Oklahoma mailing me a copy of their brand new state explosives law almost makes sense but they had to get the address from the ATF.

The latest was a fireworks catalog from a company I had never heard of. Considering I have never so much as purchased a sparkler at a fireworks stand, this was odd.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you. :-)

I can confirm it as well and the last 3-4 times this was brought up it was confirmed by several folks. It is a fact.

Your senseless post aside.

So why post this dribble?

So are you going to stop doing business with the ATF?

As soon as we wi the lawsuit...

It's stupid to wait. Look at how AT and Magnum suffered for their illegal designation of exempt goods as "restricted access".

Look further how the HPR market "population" has shrunk 90-95%.

And AT thinks some hobby industry co-op ads will solve this INTERNAL problem?

The LAW is on our side NOW. Live life NOW.

Gees.