"To keep the Vise Grip name competitive they have to move to China"???
Booolpuckey. I, and I suspect many others have paid a premium for YEARS
genuine Vise-Grip quality. If anything, they will lose market share being
in China. What the owners are really saying is---"We can put a lot more
our pockets by going offshore". Arrgggh. Must stop now---this isn't doing
pressure any good!
Good thing I got too many of them now, and that a lot will be available in
my lifetime at yard sales, ebay, etc.
Anyone who buys a new Vise Grip tool needs to have their head examined.
I've bought four or five for what they want for a new one today.
I'm with you on that one - lots of them of all sizes and shapes.
I missed some, best run out and find the specials.
One never knows if the spring or lever or ... works past a year.
We can only hope the quality stays the same high level.
We have not seen it on most other items.
Once you lose the means of producing something it will be a matter of
time before you lose the wealth of producing it. This notion of "value
added" by any means thinkable will stop someday (ask a Brit).
I got side tracked by the origins of the Reuben sandwich noted in the
article and chased it for awhile.... I suppose in a generation or so it
will have been invented in China??? Hard to be angry at the peasant in
China for bettering himself, history repeats itself again.
You can get quality stuff out of China, but you have to ride them to do
it. I have read numerous articles that all say about the same thing,
and I've talked to a couple of people who have been there & done that
and they say the same things, too.
Of course, they're getting more expensive and the dollar keeps dropping,
so at some point the cost of keeping the quality up is going to equal
the cost of just doing it here with employees who care. Then we'll all
have to live with less stuff, but at least it'll be made locally...
If the Chinese ever start taking pride in their work we're doomed.
Fortunately (for us) there appear to be some deep-seated cultural biases
in China against this (if you _do_ you have much lower social status
than if you manage, if you're an engineer and you haven't gotten into
management within 5 years of starting work then there's something wrong
with your head, that sort of thing).
From my experience (living in Asia for some 40 years) the Chinese are
very pragmatic people. I think that if you research their recent
industrial activities you will find that they produce the quality of
goods that the customer requires.
For example, you can go into any machine shop in Asia and see Chinese
made machine tools and believe me these machines are running all day,
every day, and they do stand up. If they didn't the machine shop
owners wouldn't continue to buy them. At the same time you can go into
the local shop and buy a pair of "vice-grips" that is likely to break
the first time you use them.
If you pursue the matter a bit further you will find that the Lathes
and milling machines weren't that cheap in price and the vise-grips
were the cheapest pair in the shop.
In other words, if Harbor Freight wants to buy a million pairs of
vise-grips AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE the Chinese manufacturer will be quite
happy to oblige. On the over hand when Cummins comes in and sets up a
factory to manufacture CUMMINS Diesel engines the quality is identical
to U.S. made Cummins.
Take a look at Chinese made "art". I have seen a Jade (actually
jadeite) ship as large as your car carved out of a single piece of
stone - complete with the anchor chains, carved with separate links,
sails, ropes - the whole thing. One piece of stone. But not cheap at
At the moment, the Chinese are, to a great extent, simply
manufacturers of stuff for other people but slowly they are developing
their own products. Right now they have in the field of small single
cylinder diesel engines, used by the millions in Asia to pump water,
power garden tractors, generators, welding machines, etc., outsold
the Japanese made product. Small marine engines are more and more
"China diesel" - Australia is full of them.
The day is coming, I suspect, when much of what we buy will be either
Chinese, or Indian, in origin.
I was watching one of the expert witnesses on CSPAN about the auto industry
problems and he stated that unless the fact that China pegs their currency
to the dollar and it doesn't float is modified the Detroit auto makers have
no chance. He also stated if a Detroit based auto company goes and
manufactures autos in china all the components must be made there. Unlike
here were components come from wherever the manufacturer desires.
Are you sure the Chinese currency isn't tied to the US dollar still?
That is very sad. Some of the stuff I've bought at auctions recently
were the result of such closures. I think we're gonna go in the fresh
pizza business. Perhaps these will not also be made in China.