The ATFE shut down Quickburst, claiming their igniters were low explosives and that they were manufacturing LE without a license. How are the Qb igniters different from Aerotech's Copperhead or FirstFires? Is a bridge wire igniter a low explosive when the same composition used as a conductive pyrogen is not? Or are they both? Or are both neither? Clarification needed.
See the 9/16/06 thread here "Quickburst shut down by BATFE" Just above in this group.
Aerotech has a LEMP.
Yeah the issue is not "what is it made out of?" but rather "what kind of permit do you have?" Dave had a dealer's permit, while the ATF wanted him to have a manufaturer's permit.
To answer the question, QB igniters used a bridge wire design with a resin-bonded pyrogen.
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~ Duane Phillips.
Was QB shut down, or just there igniters? I understood all the chatter to be the former, to include a note from the owner that he was applying for the required permit...
Status?
~ Duane Phillips.
sheesh... there = their...
He got his LEUP in a matter of days. It's a miracle!!! Or more likely he'll be waiting forever and have to jump through a bunch of hoops and someone will ask the same question a year from now.
It's a little soon to be expecting status. The Feds are involved.
Phil
"Brian McDermott" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
So once a mfgr has a LEMP, they can MAKE and SELL low explosives to anyone? But, no, you have to have a low explosives USER'S permit. So - Aerotech has a LEMP and sells/gives away igniters that have been ruled by the BATFE in another case to be low explosive. Now a lot of you are going to jump at this as being an accusation of AT - it's not. I don't think EITHER AT or Qb either one are/were doing anything wrong.
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Just the igniters. But since most of his business revolves around igniters...
Aerotech has an LEMP.
kaplow snipped-for-privacy@encompasserve.org.mars (Bob Kaplow) wrote in news:Sz889Fm+ snipped-for-privacy@eisner.encompasserve.org:
So are you saying that Copperheads and FirstFires are low explosives ? How can they sell them to users that don't have LEUPs?
I don't think anyone has said that YET. A LEMP allows someone to manufacture using substances that are listed by BATFE as low explosives. Something containing a low explosive might not necessarily be considered a low explosive after manufacturing.
Phil
Because they are part of a "motor assembly" and the individual igniter packs are "replacement parts." It's the same reason Estes can get away with it.
That's great! TO bad everyone else's experiences aren't similar.
Phil
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