Quickburst shut down by BATFE

Since igniters are now being classified as low explosives, where does that put Estes, whose igniters are included with every motor pack sold nationwide in virtually every Wal-Mart and hobby store?

Does Wal-Mart have a company-wide license to sell low explosives?

Does Wal-Mart demand LEUP's from customers purchasing Estes motor packs, with their included igniters?

Wal-Mart had better get its lawyers together FAST on this one, before the BATF comes down on them hard.

It was pointed out that Estes sells igniters. They said that they weren't igniters even though the package calls them igniters.

You can get the story from Quickburst here:

-Aaron

What a bunch of winkies they are.....reminds me of my kid when he was two, kicking and screaming when he didn't get his way......I see many more pingpong balls being sold in the future. ;-)

Chuck

This is not a new "thing". Jim Turner (RIP) would only ship ignitors if you also ordered stuff with the proper paperwork. (like AT reloads).

This was pre 9/11.

Doesn't surprise me that the BATFE is cracking down on stuff.. And I don't think that they feel they'll lose against NAR/TRA in October..

It's the same stuff that prevents us from taking a can of Coke on a plane these days. Things are getting tight.

Ignitors, are, well ignitors.. And might warrant regulation.

But understand, in the current world, a can of Coke is also regulated...

You d> Aar>

Then he must've forgotten to check my paperwork when I scored a bunch of kick butt fire in the hole igniters circa 2000.

Still got a few left. Fantastic for small composite clusters.

Ted Novak TRA#5512 IEAS#75

AZ Woody wrote:

Welcome to the skatacephalarchy.

Too many syllables......even dictionary.com chokes on it "No results found for skatacephalarchy."

Netscape ...... "Your search "skatacephalarchy" returned no results. Check your spelling"

Google........"Your search - skatacephalarchy - did not match any documents.

Suggestions:

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So now I scratch my head and wonder what in the world skatacephalarchy is besides a word with many syllables, like delicatessen.

Chuck

C'mon, Chuck. Figure it out. "Skat" - sic, should be scat, as in feces.

"Cepha" - head. "Archy" - government. IOW, s#!$-headed gov't. Not that I completely agree with it, but it certainly applies to the BATFEces. I thought it was funny, and clever wordsmithing.

Doug

It's sunday morning....my head hurts from last night.....I choose not to think right now......have this put in Webster's so I can look it up without hurting my head anymore.....but after the explanation, yes it is cute. Speaking of BATFeces just a reminder of the boyz in action at Waco on Discovery tonight September 17, 2006 at 9 on Discovery. Let's watch the know-it-alls in action.

Chuck

"patriot act" that

Nice spin. When the facts aren't on your side, just lie and scream "Patriot Act!"

House Bill S.724 - which would have removed many of the onerous regulations on this hobby - was put forth by a Republican, Sen. Mike Enzi.

It was shot down largely due to efforts by senators Charles Schumer and Frank Lautenberg, both leading Democrats.

(Don't let these facts cloud your opinions, though.)

What to know why estes gets away with it? My Dad back in the early 80's to a trip to Denver, Colo. and tured some of the state, lyons, etc. When near Estes he was told in the local clp joint that they also made ammo up there for DOD. He didn't think about geting this confermed, but it was told him no less than 3 times in that area, so it would seem if any of that was true then or now, they have an "In" into the grovement.

Our problems with the ATFE started long before the Bush administration. The problem is not political, it's bureucratic, the people in the ATF feel the need to do SOMETHING to justify their jobs

Skatacephalarchy is great on rye bread. :)

It doesn't surprise me either, since this was reaction was predicted a long time ago. As for whether or not ATF "feels" they will lose in court, I certainly think they are running scared. They've probably come to the conclusion that they can't come up with an objective, non-arbitrary definition of "explosive" that includes our motors without also including many other things. So now they're starting to crack down on other necessities of the hobby.

However, as with PADs, the ATF's definitions and enforcement are inconsistent and arbitrary. There is absolutely no factual difference between an HPR igniter and an Estes igniter, yet ATF treats them differently and even refuses to admit that -- as you say -- "an igniter is an igniter".

Wrong again. The Patriot Act had nothing to do with it. It was the Homeland Security Act/Safe Explosive Act. And if you think the Dems would be any less restrictive of our freedoms, you're living in a dreamworld.

Except all the illegal crap in the 'patriot' act was written under the Clinton / Reno administration, but they couldn't get it passed. 9/11 was an excuse to ram police state legislation through congress with virtually no objection. Those who voted for it should be charged with treason.

And if you think the democrats will solve this problem, then you're just plain stupid.

Right. And then you'll get lower taxes and free health care for everyone.

IIRC the lawsuit was filed while Clinton, a Democrat, was in office. I also recall the biggest opposition to the failed exemption for hobby rocketry came from democrats.

Neither party is going to "save" the hobby. Unless it gets them votes, which it will not.

Acknowledged!

-Larry (just wanted to use a dandy new word I made up) C.

I did see the :), but on a sandwich? Quoting my daughter - "Yuck! Gross!" Larry Lobdell Jr.

I did see the :), but on a sandwich? Quoting my daughter - "Yuck! Gross!" Larry Lobdell Jr.