Re: The AT auction

"HOWEVER, when organizations are involved in the regulation of a sport/hobby/etc activity, it seems to me, personally, that there ought to be at least the same level of openness and oversight as the government itself is required to demonstrate (which is still not enough, IMHO, but certainly more than none).

The business of certifying motors ought to be very public, with lots of very public procedures, all auditable and audited.

The development of safety codes ought to be very public, and the organization should be above even the appearance of settling for less than the safety codes require.

The rules by which individuals are certified to purchase motors and fly them should be very very clear, and consistently applied."

-Ted Cochran

"Giving the power to interfere in people's lives to a government is like giving a three-year-old a hammer, they soon discover that everything they encounter requires pounding."

"Very astute observation. Even after being led by the nose to facts supporting JI's claim, he still says that none exist. He's a troll...pure and simple." - Mark Simpson NAR 71503 Level II

Reply to
Jerry Irvine
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Try taking a controvercial (and legally justified) political position. You will then get both hate and love mail and heck, if you are lucky Fred Wallace will put you on his refuse email list.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

He GOT A COPY of the papers before he supposedly did anything. He knew full well he was researching ACS not anything else.

"Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." -- Vernon Schryver

How many times did he argue with me on the internet over my CLEAR STATEMENTS that there are no "Jerry motors" (evidence, you don't see me at EX launches), or USR motors (even the DOT agrees with that in the current action.)

It is hard to argue otherwise.

It is not hard for Fred to outright lie or misdirect. Let's see if that is what he did or not.

Jerry

Hey izzy, care to do research on Fred's rmr posts on the topic?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Sounds like you have something to hide.

Reply to
Dave Grayvis

Why do you ask? Do you actually want one too, or just tryin' to stir up trouble?

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

Knew you'd say that: now I can jerk you guys' chain just by not saying anything... normally I don't actively _try_ to "troll", but this is too good to resist... all I'd have to do is sit on my hands and watch y'all work yorselves into a proper Foam Frog Frenzy...

BTW, there's no "claim to" about it... Jerry took lots of pictures and I posted links at the time.

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

Ya mean like motive and opportunity? ;)

I find my recreational desires currently satisfied with MR at lower cost. However, if I would get engaged in an R&D project that required HPR capabilities, that would establish my need (or desire) to fly HPR at that time.

Alan

Reply to
Alan Jones

OK, you are due an unqualified apology. It was inappropriate for me to jump in with my pithy comment, implying that you might be a supporting case to my contention that unreasonable regulation can lead to a breakdown of personal integrity.

Alan

Reply to
Alan Jones

The formative years of the NAR is interesting and beyond my time. Howeever, in the earliest days, the NAR did permit members to make thier own motors. Self made motors were even permitted to be used in competition at NARAM 1. I'm not sure when the change occured, probably soon after Estes started mass producing motors.

Alan

Reply to
Alan Jones

So pre-manufactured motor culture was an accicent of successful commerce?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Gee, I wonder?

Here's an indication:

[whether] "Mr. Irvine has complied with the instructions provided him, with no response from your office unless he has taken liberties with the truth, there are problems he has failed to disclose, resulting in a delay in the response from you or your office, and or both."

- W.E. "Fred" Wallace, MDRA 6-26-01 letter to DOT

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Heh, heh... no, I mean like a wish or a longing or a passion! ;)

I can relate... the HPR bug doesn't bite everyone. (Though it IS highly contagious!) ;)

Reply to
Mark

maybe the web master guy hasn;t got the go yet? I know I , alnog wit John Kane a trustee inquired as to what the new pledge means wversus the old one...its too full of bureacratic finese to me....I told them just add NAR to it like this and makes it perfectly clear:

from this:

By submitting this form, I pledge to conduct all my sport rocketry activities in compliance with the NAR Model Rocket Safety Code and the NAR High Power Safety Code.

To this:

By submitting this form, I pledge to conduct all my [NAR] sport rocketry activities in compliance with the NAR Model Rocket Safety Code and the NAR High Power Safety Code.

See thats perfectly clear,concise and says what it means... versus this :

By submitting this form, I pledge to conduct all my model and high power sport rocketry activities in compliance with the applicable NAR Safety Code.

I am glad to hear as soon as they change the pledge, that you will join. We do need all the help we cna get.

Shockie B)

Reply to
shockwaveriderz

Perfect.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

Youmissedthepoint.

The issue of motive is the point.

Or is hiding one's motive also "obstructing justice"?

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

I agree

- iz

Reply to
Ismaeel Abdur-Rasheed

Hmmm... still confused... still too ambiguous.

Let's simplify... ala Thoreau:

"By submitting this form, I pledge to conduct ALL my NAR Rocket activities in complience with all NAR safety codes."

Done.

Reply to
Mark

Sorry, on second thought that should read:

"By submitting this form, I pledge to conduct all my NAR Rocket activities in compliance with all APPLICABLE NAR safety codes."

Now I don't have to worry about the 'current' definition of Sport, Amateur, Experimental, HPR, etc.

I mean, let's face it... I'm an amateur that launches rockets (some are models) that are great sport, sometimes experimental, and (more often than not lately) high power!

Reply to
Mark

How about the whole paragraph, with no Jerry, out of context, cut and paste job:

"It is now my understanding; Mr. Irvine is still claiming no response from you or your office. I find it difficult to believe Mr. Irvine has complied with the instructions provided him, with no response from your office; unless, he is taking liberties with the truth, there are problems he has failed to disclose, and or both. As a result of my cynical opinion and frustration, I responded to Mr. Irvine through a third party; "If he wished, I would hand deliver the document copies to your office or fax them to you myself". To my surprise, Mr. Irvine responded, " he has no problem with me doing either". So, as I am a man of my word, the attached documents, include the information Mr. Irvine claims to have faxed to you at your office."

Where are them motors you been sending via USPS?? Care to comment on that and shipping 1.3c hazmat through the USP System Mr. Irvine; speak into the mike and take your time.

Fred

Reply to
W. E.Fred Wallace

I'll consider just about any motor I can get legally, if the price is right.

Fred W

Reply to
W. E.Fred Wallace

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