When are motors to be de-certified?

That has been the offer on the table since 1991.

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Jerry Irvine
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Actually, Jerry has posted a scanned letter confirming the sale of ACS to himself in this very thread. It is from the President of ACS and addressed to the DOT chairman. It states that the President/owner of ACS acknowledges and authorizes the transfer of any and all assets and requests the assistance of the DOT in perform any changes that need to be made. But I'm not in this fight to get any love from Jerry. Even if there were no doc to that effect, I still question the nat'l orgs authority to challenge a dealers auth to ship. It's just not their proper function. Shipping enforcement is the job of the DOT.

However, If it were my business and I could open a market like the NAR/TRA membership I'd send a box of motors, a check, and the paperwork to the NAR/TRA monthly until I got a certification, a written refusal, or a cease-and-desist order. At least, I'd send the paperwork and the check until they responded.

ROTFL, again. One more dead chicken for Kurt.

IMHO, the rocket gods of old (Kosdon, Rosenfield, Rogers, Kelley, Irvine, Cato, et.al) saw an opportunity to capitalize on a major cash cow (motors) many years ago. However, because of the size of the opportunity, their greed started to get the better of them. As a result, they started backstabbing, garage burning, inventory stealing, and generally screwing each other over in a variety of inexcusable ways. Based on the number of accusations that have been leveled, there is plenty of blame to go around three or four times. I digress.... Anyway, as the band dissolved the parties began developing their own means of ensuring their own future, while executing revenge on their former partners. The net result of ten years of empire building is erupting in this thread. TRA officals attempt to protect the world from the likes Kosdon and Jerry at the cost of their own integrity. JI & FK attempt to sell motors no matter what TRA says. And the flyers get screwed in the cross fire of the Hatfields and the McCoys...

I don;t pretend to tell myself that I can control Jerry or Frank. I can't, nor do I care to. But since I can call for TRA to cut their bullshit. And that I have been trying to do. Because I have made demands of TRA that would benefit JI, some see me as a Jerry sympathizer. That I am far from. You've know me long enough to know better than that.

I just want to buy affordable rocket motors without a whole littany of regulatory bullshit. But right now, there is a whole littany of BS AND there are vendors who could come online and increase the supply and decrease the cost.

SOAR #0074 NAR #73889 L2 TRA #8319

Reply to
PhilipD

Nope. Think motor failure.

Reply to
PhilipD

Well, I'm not sure how much power he still posesses but I have never been one to fancy the idea of:

"If you don't like it, then go somewhere else"

It's generally used by the narrow minded to quell the dissenting opinions of someone who would prefer to stay and address the problem. i.e. "If the damn [insert assorted slang here]'s don't like it here in America, they can go live is some foreign country"

Philip

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PhilipD

Tried that for a couple years too. Waiting to hear a single suggestion I have NOT tried that is even remotely realistic.

Irvine 1972 Rosenfield 1978 Rogers 1990 Kosdon 1994 Kelly 1994 Cato 1995

I have to agree :)

THAT is what is being protected. A policy of adding hoop after hoop to give the "authorities" (in this case TRA ad NAR) some purpose for being and a "franchise" to "desireable" vendors. Prospects to receive coveted ad space, booths at LDRS, and launch windows.

Too bad the TRA/HPR magazine is hardly ever published and has a dropping readership.

Too bad the TRA/NAR members and launches are dropping in frequency and attendance.

Too bad . . .

Too bad . . .

In under 5 minutes.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

NFPA 1125 specifically requires that before certification EX numbers must be obtained, or a letter from DOT stating that the materials are a flammable solid.

PhilipD wrote:

Reply to
David Schultz

So what does the person do if their material is not EX'able or a flammable solid?

Bob

Reply to
baDBob

I guess it's too safe to use for motors that meet NFPA codes then....

-dave w

Reply to
David Weinshenker

Pound sand. Both NAR and TRA have been informed of this problem and both refuse to address it on any level. I believe because of who is the only person able to rise to it.

Jerry

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

That is a lie, I would like to have you say to my face: Come to LDRS this year and take a little chance(;-). I'll treat you to a beer...

Promised to spearhead??? Thats a stretch.....................

Haven't got a clue; I just passed it on to Carrol Monrowe..

I know, thanks!!!

Fred

Reply to
W. E. Fred Wallace

Duane, You may be wrong here. The BATF has recently determined (all on their own, I might add) that when shipping and receiving intersect "security" then the BATF takes the lead.

steve

Reply to
default

DOT classifies them as UN 1.1, 1.3, or 1.4. UN 1.x is 'explosives'. (No hobby motors are 1.1 fortunately.)

Tom

Reply to
Tom Binford

ACS propellant was *not* the same as USR propellant. USR had several different propellants, this is only 1 EX number (and for a propellant that was different from any in the USR motors). At least USR motors were better than ACS - the most reliable way to destroy a rocket until the advent of forgetting to arm the altimeter before pushing the button...

Tom

Reply to
Tom Binford

David wrote:

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RayDunakin

BadBob wrote:

Reply to
RayDunakin

They certainly could be. Just in a non-NFPA state.

Reply to
Jerry Irvine

No, but you did say that it's their position that matters, not TRA/NAR's. I'm agreeing with that.

Ask Jerry, he's the one who says the government won't let him ship his motors. If I'm mistaken in assuming that he refers to the DOT, maybe you can ask him to clarify which agency he is referring to.

Reply to
RayDunakin

We know, we know, we know.....

Rather than clutter up the discussion with 50 different EX numbers, let's just keep this simple and deal with one. If that one can get thropugh, then it sets the stage for the rest.

Bob

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baDBob

Reply to
baDBob

Um, yes. In his capacity of the position.

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Jerry Irvine

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