I have been thinking about getting this kit but there is just something
about the front fuselage that does not look correct. It looks like the
fuselage is to tall just ahead of the intakes. The over-all front fuselage
just looks odd. Any opinions on this?
Kinda hard to tell from the photo's on the Collect Aire web site...
But..yeah it appears the fuselage has a funny shape to it. The canopy
a bit too tall...the fuselage a bit too deep. The front ejection seat
should be lower than the rear one. But that could be from the way the
kit was put together. What get's me are the wheels/tires....way to
large. But overall for a 1/32 scale kit it's pretty neat looking. But
In my opinion the only accurate kit in any scale of the Talon was
the Sword 1/48 kit. And while the Sword kit isn't perfect...its alot
better than anything that came before it. Since it seems the Sword kit
is not available any more....it could be possible to convert the
Classic Airframes F-5B kit into a T-38 with a few modifications.
Ft. Worth, Tx
with a few modifications.
Not for the faint of heart! The T-38 has no wing LEXs, different
intakes, different main l/g & tires, different cockpit details, and
most importantly, a nice flat belly. Although superficially similar,
T-38s are very different from F-5Bs.
Just sand them off. And of course leave the tip tanks off.
Just cut and sand to right shape
The main wheels/tires on the Sword kit were too large anyway.
Just the ejection seats, and thats just in the form of the drag chute
case around the head rest.
Yes on the real thing but since the two kits come from the same
mold I don't think the belly is a problem. I've compared the two of
them side by side.
You also forgot the T-38 doesn't have a drag chute housing at the
bottom of the rudder ( easily sanded away ) and there is sheet of metel
across the afterburner cans on the T-38 ( easily added. ) I think the
hardest part might be the airbrakes. The Classic Airframe kit is just
the Sword T-38 kit with different resin parts. It wouldn't be all that
hard of a conversion I think. But this is all kind of off topic
anyway. The main thing is that the Sword and Classic airframes kit get
the right shape of the fuselage on the T-38 / F-5B like I've never seen
I'm not sure I understand. If the belly is the same on both kits
one or the other is inaccurate.
I didn't forget. I felt my point was made well enough with the
differences I did list.
In the belly. Fancy that...
Then as I said above, one of them has an inaccurate fuselage.
Well, it's a real b*tch in 1/72. I would think it would be even
more difficult in 1/48.
Not if both kits have the same fuselage parts...
Al I'm just the messenger. I didn't realize the Classic Airframes
kit and the Sword kit both originate out of The Czech Republic...until
I saw the parts up close. Last time I was home I compared both kits
quickly. I have one kit of each. I just compared the plastic forward
fuselage...and it matched up perfectly...even the panel lines were
exactly the same. Obviously they are using the same mold for many of
the plastic parts. Maybe the resin belly parts for the F-5B ARE
It's not a HUGE difference anyway. Just a slight bulge for the larger
main gear. It's not a monumental task to separate the airbrakes since
they are in the same location.
Here is a Sword T-38:
Here is an Classic Airframes F-5B:
Are they innacurate ? On Kelly's T-38, it looks like he stuck two
Monogram pilots in the seats. I think the nose wheel is just about
right...but the main tires are too wide.
I know that, and so am I. I'm not trying to tell anybody how
they should go about building a T-38 (see my sig file below!), I'm
just pointing out the differences between the two airframes so
builders can make intelligent and informed decisions for themselves.
Aha! What other reason could they have had to cast the bellies
in resin other than that they're different? ;)
It's a pretty big difference to me but that's just my personal
opinion. If it weren't a big deal to me I'd quit agitating for a 1/72
scale T-38 kit and be content to convert ESCI F-5Bs. That said, to
each his own - I'd *never* belittle another modeler that was happy to
paint an F-5B as a T-38.
Hard to tell from the pics in those articles as I can't see much
of the bellies.
It looks like both kits have the same mainwheels in them.
Strange if the manufacturer(s) went to the trouble of providing
different resin bellies.
Do you still have both kits to do a detailed comparison?
I've actually been on your side of the debate many times. =] Hey
by the way Al...I won the auction for that Sword T-38 on Ebay a few
weeks back ! Got it for $29 bucks.
Well...obviously the way they manufacture the kit is to sell
Look at these comparison photo's Al:
Obviously the F-5B is set for higher gross weights....hard
points...different tires..intakes...etc...but is it that radically
I remember well reading Tom Black's article in Fine Scale modeler
10 years ( or so ) ago about how to convert a 1/72 scale F-5B into a
T-38. I would never just paint an F-5B and call it a T-38. I would
definatly cut and reshape many things.
Yeah...otherwise they did a pretty good job. The nose wheel is
just about perfect.
Yes....but my job takes me on the road allot. I just did a quick
comparison last time I was home. Next time I will compare the resin
belly as well and I will let you know the results.
You know after the PMP and AUP upgrades...the now T-38 " C "
version is going to fly up until about 2020. That's about 60 years of
service ! You would think that since just about every fighter jock
that comes down the pike in the USAF flies the T-38....some model kit
manufacture would come out with a nice T-38 kit. ( since the Sword kit
is history ).
Hey...you know. Forget the F-5B conversion. How bout converting
the Sword T-38 to the " C " version. Intakes, Afterburner,
multifunction displays in the cockpit. Whew !
Ft. Worth, TX
Well, the F-5B's belly in the link above is pretty much hidden by
the wing and drop tank. OTOH the T-38 pic shows just how flat its
Thanks. It's more for the newsgroup than me, though, since I
don't build 1/48... ;)
One would think so but then again we don't have a good kit of the
T-37 either, and converting an A-37 is even *more* of a job than
converting an F-5B to a T-38.
Heh. You 1/48 builders are spoiled. I'd love to have an
accurate 1/72 scale T-38, period. ;-p