Attn Rory Manton

Dec 17, 2003 11 Replies

Rory - I'm sorry if I seem rude! Re your enquiry on rms about Pommie Holdens - I only just saw it, and that was through Google Groups; there seems to be a lot of articles I'm missing out on by using my ISP's newsgroup thingy. The trouble is that I don't want to go through all the bother of having to create a Google a/c and then log on every time I want to look at rms; or I can just be rude and not answer enquiries.... a conundrum indeed!



As far as Pommie Holdens - the early Commodores were based on Opel/Vauxhall floorpans - until about the late '80s, if memory serves. The really early Holden Toranas were rebadged Vauxhall Vivas. Most of the rest of the Holden stuff is/was (mostly) local in design and construction, although a lot of Holden engines over the years were GM boat anchors from the Mother Ship. That said, the local chappies have designed some damn fine engines - the 6cyl 'Red' motor and the 253/308 cid V-8s come to mind. The new 2dr Commode (joke) is being exported to the States, I believe - do a search under Holden Monaro - you'll also get some pics of 'real' cars - muscle thingos from the late '70s, if you're lucky. Holden's Motor Body Co (I think?) were a small coachbuilder that got involved with Australia's first car and then got involved with GM at some point, hence the worldwide connections. Have a look at the Holden corporate website - it may have a bit of history there.



After all that, I think you may have asked the wrong guy - I'm more an Aussie Ford man. If there's any Aussie model building Holden fans here, don't be shy - pad up, grab the willow and let us know!



RobG (the Aussie one)


in article 3fe01b11 snipped-for-privacy@news.chariot.net.au, Rob Grinberg at r snipped-for-privacy@mackay.net.au wrote on 17/12/03 8:59:

Not a problem, thanks for getting back tho' I did have a moment of panic when I read the header my first thought was , what have I done wrong now?.

Well Rob, from what I've seen in Australian Classic Car, I'm more of a Ford fan myself although they have to sit in second place behind the Chrysler Valiants.

Bill Banaszak, MFE

Valiants were probably the least popular.... here in Oz, a famous race called the Bathurst 1000 (1000klm) was always where the Holden (a subsidiary of General Motors) and locally produced Ford faced off. It's been a part of Aussie folklore since when the 308 Monaro raced against the Phase III Ford Falcon of the early sixties. It's a bit like your Daytona 500 except around a road track that climbs over Mount Panorama - it's a real bitch to win as well. Just quietly, even though the local producers had strong ties to the US car market, it was always misconstrued as being Ford being a little bit more yanky than the good ol' Holden. Hence, the division between the two supporter base was always quite wide, parochial, and passionate.

I did have a soft spot for the Valiant Charger which was a 2 door Valiant and was produced in limited numbers in the form of the E34. Tripple Webber carbs on a the Hemi straight six.

Mitch

anything with a slant 6 flaots my boat.

Ah yes, but as Mitch mentions above the Aussies developed their own Hemi-6 which was upright and a bruiser. I'd really like to see some of their cars in 1/25th plastic kits.

Bill Banaszak, MFE

different philosphy on those two. i liked the slant for the

423,000 miles i put on one. it lasted through 2 1/2 bodies with one ring and valve job.

An Oz company that might eventually help...

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Here's a few diecast models of the Charger and the Ford Cobra and GTHO.... the latter a real beast.

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?mode=view&MerchandiseID=12156 Mitch

Thanks for the leads, Mitch.

Bill Banaszak, MFE

Haha - now you know how it felt from this end...

RobG (the Aussie one) (Who won't miss any more posts - I've bitten the bullet and joined Google...)

Mitch, When I was younger (and sillier), a mate of mine had a Centura with an E49 spec 265 in it... talk about a blast! And I've got a soft spot for Chargers, too - they always looked looked less bulky than Falcon Coupes - but I'd still love a 2dr XC with 351 Cleveland, Top Loader,

9" diff and a BIG Holley to feed it all... Maybe next year!

RobG (the Aussie > > >

Hehe, I wish you luck in finding one.. Yeah, loved those Chargers with the huge doors and whale tail.... Used to sit out the front as a kid and do the "hey Charger" peace sign thingy.

Mitch

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