Does anyone know where I might be able to get a front bogie wheel for a Mainline Jubilee; or a couple of the smaller nylon cogs that engage with the wheels (not the one reproduced by Ultrascale unfortunately) for a Mainline Warship?
"Gerald H" wrote
The bogie wheel shouldn't be too much trouble, there should be enough dead Jubilees around to allow you to pick one up easily enough. Try Model Spares in Burnley or one of the other retailers that specialise in breaking models for spares.
The Warship gear is another matter. I would say out of the last 24 'used' Mainline Warships which have been through my hands around 22 had the split/broken gear issue to some extent or other.
I generally reckon you can make one good Warship out of three, so if you're looking to acquire another one for spares be careful you don't duplicate your existing problem.
John.
Bachmann spares for the Jubilee are identical in respect of bogies.
Regards
>"Peter Abraham" wrote
Indeed, except the Bachmann Jubilee is discontinued and in the process of being completely re-tooled. I doubt they will have any/many spares for the old model, but it's certainly worth investigating.
John.
They don't even list the replacement chassis for the Jubilee any more.
(kim)
Granted , but then -- the parallel boiler scot chassis fits all of those 4-6-0 models. I have been buying individual spares from Bachmann for all kinds of "oldies" at very respectable prices. It takes just an email to make the enquiry.
I wasn't complaining. I think it was noble of Bachmann to have supported Mainline with spares for as long as they did.
(kim)
Hum, I didn't think that you were. It was not obvious that Bachmann would and could support so many discontinued lines. On the contrary it seems that Hornby body spares will never be available by commercial policy. To me, this is a poor decision as profit is greater in this field. This type of mistake was made by the UK car industry back in the 60's and they never recovered from it after the japanese stepped into the gap.
It could be that Bachmann recognised early on that mainline locos were really bad runners - perhaps they got a huge number of requests for new chassis.
Cheers, Simon
"simon" wrote
I'm not so sure they were quite that altruistic. Spares were provided for their then range of products some of which happened to be developments of the old Mainline range. Some parts were common to both ranges, others like the complete chassis were direct replacements. I'm sure it makes more financial sense for a manufacturer to sell a complete chassis rather than mess around with individual components.
John.
Agree with you totally, no sugesstion of altruism - more likely they spotted a good way to make some money with the complete chassis. Excellent idea that.
CHeers, Simon
They could have forced Mainline customers to buy a whole new engine instead of selling them a replacement chassis.
(kim)
And I didn't think that you thought I was :o)
In the case of British car marques and their spare parts departments of which I have personal knowledge you are mistaken. When I queried the cost of parts at the time, a friend who worked at Stanpart (later Unipart) assured me they made far more from the sales of spares than they ever did from selling complete cars. Apparently, if you were to assemble a complete vehicle from the parts supplied by his company, it would cost you ten times what it cost in the showroom. I could bore you to death with stories of what was wrong with the British car industry but an ability to make money from their spares departments was not one of them. Also in "Motoring Which" surveys of the period, British marques came head and shoulders above any foreign import with regard to the costs of repairs and parts.
(kim)
True, but think of the goodwill generated by the sale of superior chassis at a small saving over the new loco price!
Greg.P.
I remember back in the days when I owned an old Morris (c1970), the main agent didn't have a part I needed in stock and informed me that their policy was to only stock spares for vehicles up to eight years old. (all their current designs were at leat eight years old at the time) I stopped buying BMC vehicles from that moment on.
Regards, Greg.P.
"kim" wrote
Nah, we (and other retailers) would have split chassis from complete locos and then sold the loco body and tender seperately.
John.
W hen I spent a short while under training at GEC (ex BTH) at Rugeley they took in two Generators from India for repair. The oldest dating from 1908 and the pair were pre WWII.
Whilst based at Portland Naval Base I was presented with a Norwegian U class submarine (ex UK circa 1936) and a Portugese loch class frigate ( unchanged in any way since 1940).
The expectation (and sentiment in general) was :- It is British, please mend it!
It was our function and we never let anyone down.
Modelling to me is an extension of this and rarely do I bin things --- if I am brutally honest, the empty boasts of the guys with newly financially acquired perfection tend to irritate . You cannot buy the kind of pleasure I get from my models.
Greg, living in NZ ( don't know his era) would have parents or even grand parents who like my Kiwi friends thought of cars in the 1950's as being new if they were under 10 years old, as unlike salt ridden UK, their road vehicles never rotted away.
The chassis were useful for jobs other than replacement of Mainline units. I can't be the only person who fitted a Bachmann Manor chassis to a K's Grange or a Bachmann Pannier chassis to a Lima 94xx.
And still do! Average time in our workshop waiting for LR or Rover (yes, still available - in fact one of our suppliers is setting up new supply chain!) really obscure spares - 24hr. Average time for Jap 4x4's (often for trivial spares) 3 weeks. Jeep win hands down though - often months. Jap cars are ok, but only as most stuff is available from the aftermarket. Spares are still available for 1948 Series I Land Rovers too - try getting anything for a 10 year old Land Cruiser!
Richard
In 1970 the average age of cars in NZ must have been about 12 years, with plenty of 1950s and even pre-wars around.
As far as my models go, I have steadily upgraded my (European) rolling stock as better models have appeared. The oldest items in my model collection (as opposed to "collectors items" HD/TTR/Triang) are now 30 years old. I'd happily replace those with better detailed items if they existed, but meanwhile they represent prototypes required. While British models offered have gone through vast improvements in recent years I'll bet there are still 30 year old models in use with no modern replacements!
Greg.P.
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