Darn shame. I feel for the fans who made the long trip there just to watch
what essentially is a test session for the running teams.
I, for one, will continue being a fan of F1.
At least I can watch RACING at the Portland round of Champ cars today!
I hope Max is happy with his new tire rules, first Kimi's last lap
retirement and now this. I have been watching this sport for over 20
years, and this the biggest fuck up I have ever seen. Having the most
advanced race cars in the world running on tires that cant be changed,
regardless of consequences is a joke. Hope Max understands that the
average American race fan who is not yet familiar with how the sport
works is never going to lay down money to attend another race. What a
sad day for racing.
I'm a US F1 fan and agree that this a sad day for F1 racing in the US.
However, I disagree this has anything to do with the new tire rule.
Michelin says their tires would only last 10 laps. Since Indy is nominally
a two-stopper, the tires would have to last about 25 laps even under the old
rules, so they wouldn't have lasted even if nothing had changed. As far as
Kimi's retirement, that risk decision was made by the team. They could have
brought Kimi in to change the flat-spotted tire with no FIA penalty, because
the tire was obviously unsafe. Kimi and McLaren made the choice to drive
on. That was their choice, not the FIAs, and they paid the consequences.
For the record, teams are allowed to change tires that are unsafe. Michelin
could have probably stopped four times and changed out the right rear each
time, most likely without penalty. But since you can't fuel during a tire
stop, that meant that the teams would have had to stop a total of six times,
and surely would have lost. Apparently they chose to not play rather than
Given all of the things that have happened at Indy in the short time that
the race has been held here, including JPM's black flag after running the
majority of the race for a start violation, F1 is probably done at Indy.
I agree with you for the most part, but I think it's debatable whether
the tire would have been deemed unsafe. It certainly wouldn't have
been found unsafe after it was flat spotted the first time and probably
not after the second time. Maybe not at all right up to the point of
it's failure. Once flat spotted, the chances of it re-occuring grows
exponentially. So far, if I'm not mistaken, it is uncharted territory
because the only changes have occured with catastrophic failures.
I think McLaren could have made the case the tire was unsafe. The onboard
and external camera shots clearly showed the excessive vibration on the
right front tire. It looked pretty obvious that the suspension was shaking
around pretty badly. Plus, I'm sure McLaren had some sort of telemetry
showing the loads on the suspension. I think everyone knew the suspension
or tire would eventually fail at some point, just no one knew if he could
get it to the end of the race before it happened. Just my two cents.
I agree with you completely, but my point is when would it have been
deemed unsafe? It all seems too subjective. Had McLaren taken the
chance and pulled the tire, there was the possibility Whiting could
have disagreed despite the evidence. It is absurd to risk lives for
the cost of a few set of tires. One thing that has become evident to
me in light of the failures is the much improved tire tethers. They
seem to be working much better now.
Sometimes I think the problem of having to many rules that it encourages
mega testing and refinement which cost big dollars as back in days past
innovation played a much bigger part. ( 6 wheelers, ground effects ,
aerofoils etc) . I think maybe innovation gives the smaller budget teams a
chance to compete with the big guys and sure adds a lot of interest. I hope
someone can steer it all back in the right direction as it is the most
international series for motorsport fans we have. I wonder if we will see
Trumpeter F1 kitsnow there is a Chinese GP, US GP seemed a bit of a non
event to me, Can't see many fans who payed the money leaving with a smile on
The point that is being missed regarding Kimi's accident at the 'Ring, is
that McLaren could have stopped and changed the tyre (as it would have been
a safety issue) but in doing so they would have lost the lead to Alonso
anyway, they Kimi & McLaren elected to stay out and finish ahead of alonso,
but unfortunately the race was 1 lap too long.
I personally hate the 1 set of tyres ruling, if F1 is the pinnacle of
motorsport then there should be no limits to performance. IMHO the best
racing F1 ever had was in the early to mid 80's before refuelling and when
making a pitstop lost you the race, there were multiple teams capable of
winning, over the '82 & '83 seasons there were wins for Mclaren, Williams,
Lotus, Renault, Ferrari, Tyrrell & Brabham.
Get rid of the driver aids, bring back a foot clutch and stick shift
gearbox, let the driver make a difference, it might bring a lot of
disillusioned spectators back to the sport.
I wonder if Sunday 19th June 2005 wasn't just a bad day for F1 in the US but
could be the beginning of the end of F1 as we know it, with the FIA proving
how inflexible they can be, the GPWC begins to look more and more tempting.
All the best
Ant (a long time Williams supporter who wonders what Frank ever saw in
Don't you think the above sentences are in contrast?
I'd like to see a F1 where given an amount of energy (in joules), cars
must end a race only with that energy, be it gasoline, electricity,
charcoal, plutonium or whatelse.
We could see diesel vs hydrogen vs gas vs electric engined F1s racing in
the same race. That would be interesting.
: Michelin says their tires would only last 10 laps.
I hadn't read that anywhere on Monday. Where did you see that?
Neverless, it was an astoundingly huge blunder to have such a poor
tire at a circuit that wasn't exactly new.
: As far as
: Kimi's retirement, that risk decision was made by the team. They could have
: brought Kimi in to change the flat-spotted tire with no FIA penalty, because
: the tire was obviously unsafe.
Given several of the FIA decisions in th past few years,
I would not have counted on the "obviously" part. Unless it had
to do with points for Mikey/Ferrari.
Max and Yuckle have been all too happy to be his bitch in
the past, overlooking infractions by Ferrari, but coming down
hard on other makes.
In what was perhaps a petty move, I have to say that I am
happy that Tony George didn't wave the checkers over that farce.
I am also happy that I don't give a rats about todays F1
cars. Take those damn wings away, down force, electronics and
launch control (thankfully, active suspension is already gone!)
Perhaps this will make those classic Tamiya 1/12 F1 kits a bit
Still, FIA is not without some merit. If only we Americans
could get The NASCAR Network to pay more attention to WRC Rally...
"I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX.
The Power and the Prophet
Robert Don Hughes
What I always liked about F1 (back when I followed it) were the Grand(e)
Prix races which were conducted over a closed course on otherwise public
roads...something about having to negotiate real roads FAST (and without
bumping, lest you launch your butt skyward...) made both the cars and
the drivers "real racers", IMO.
Give me that to watch - or at least something with more challenge in the
turns than a "squared-oval"...I have to agree with you. I'll pass on it.
If it's a choice between watching a race with cars that shatter into a
million pieces if they're sneezed on, like F1, IRL, and CART. I'll watch
NASCAR, even though there's not much stock about the cars in Nascar anymore.
I live about two miles by way the bird flies from the Indianapolis Motor
Speedway, and I know one thing about American race fans: Once you lose
them, they are gone. Look at what happened after IRL and CHAMP Cars had
their spat. A lot of "Indy Car" fans are now NASCAR fans, and have no
intentions on returning until the leagues get over it. The city of
Indianapolis and her citizens have tried to roll out the red carpet for all
the foreign visitors for the race and now this. I don't know a lot about
F1, but I don't understand how the sport with the "most sophisticated cars
in the world" doesn't have tires that can turn a 9 degree banked curve that
is .25 miles long. IRL cars negotiate these turns at 200 MPH some times two
abreast. Were the tires just defective or was it a problem on certain cars
(teams) maybe with their setups? We get only marginal coverage in Indy for
the local races (we host 3) that is actually about the race and not traffic,
weather, or the fluff that the stations throw out so I did not here about
the tire issue until the start of the race. I'm not trying to start any
arguments but from the sounds of it, the speedway is not at fault for the
incident ( though they will probably lose future races ).
well that's my opinion anyway.
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