Question about cost of models.

How come Hasegawa can make a new Stuka in 1/32 and sell it for less than $40
(guaranteeing that I buy at least one and Trumpter can't make a 1/32
anything for less than $100 (this guaranteeing I will probably not buy one)?
I really like the SBD (and the TBF) but I can buy 3 Stukas for what they
costs. And frankly the old Matchbox SBD isn't that bad, particularly since
the Trumpy one should drive the price down even further.
The Wildcat seems reasonable, the 262 and Corsair (prop one) almost so but
the rest????
Frank
Reply to
Gray Ghost
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Parts count...but I would think that the labor market costs would offset that.
But we keep buyin' 'em. So they'll keep pricin' 'em.
Reply to
Rufus
Parts count is a big factor. Hasegawa kits like the Stuka, 109G/Ks, and Ki-84s are relatively simple kits. You don't get weapons options, dropped flaps, completely detailed engines, working control surfaces, etc. As noted, similar simple kits by Trumpeter like the MiG-3 and Wildcat are reasonably priced. However, aircraft like the A-7, Su-27, MiG-29 and F-105 are much larger, more complex and detailed, and come with multiple weapon sprues. In fact, some of these kits have more parts just for ordnance to hang under the wings than Hasegawa has for an entire kit.
Dave
Reply to
Dave Williams
Rufus wrote in news:fb5hg.1006999$xm3.251415@attbi_s21:
SBD 1/2 227 parts 139.95 SBD 3/4 257 parts 139.95 SBD 5 250 parts 139.95
Stuka 216 parts 63.95
Twice as much for what?
Frank
Reply to
Gray Ghost
Brings me back to - we keep buyin' em...
Reply to
Rufus
Their armor runs $20-35 and they have a few cheap ships. 1/350 Liberty and Sullivans both $30, the former worth it the latter worth $5 at best. 1/700 carriers approx. $30, don't if they're worth it.
1/350 North Carolina is $130 MSRP but is really a $40 kit since all the armament is junk and there's a lot of correcting to do. Hornet has major hull shape problems, the 1/350 Essexes are OK though. The Lexington has some fit and enginerring issues but above the flight deck is completely wrong. I shudder to think what mess they'll make of the DE they're releasing.
Reply to
Ron Smith
I haven't seen many 'cheap' kits from Trumpeter. I think they're stickin' it to the bourgeois capitalist pigs. JMHO.
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Reply to
Mad-Modeller
=== Why do they charge what they charge? To put it in a nutshell, and be blunt about it, because they can!!!
Ray Austin, TX ===
Reply to
Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman
We gotta remember what we learned in economics class at school. Remember elastic demand vs inelastic demand? Just like gasoline. If we are willing to pay ANY price for something, soon the price will go there.
Reply to
Don Stauffer
Hey, for all of us in US, we are a capitalistic country that expouses how great capitalism IS! We can't get upset then when companies in other countries catch on :-)
Reply to
Don Stauffer
Check the parts count and also the otherwise very expensive etched brass and resin parts often found in Trumpeter kits that are optional extras (if you can find them for the other brand kits) refer to the Trumpeter kits and (Lionroar amongst other) accessories for Hasegawa kits at
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and when checking prices deduct the GST and refer to exchange rate tables. regards Alan T. Alan's Hobby, Model & RC Web Links
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Reply to
A.T.
Don Stauffer wrote in news:evfhg.16$ snipped-for-privacy@news.uswest.net:
Yes but there is something called a price point in capitalism. It's a point where the quantity sold vice the markup balances. I believe they'd sell a lot more if it was priced much lower. The Stuka doesn't seem a lot different from the SBD, 208 vs 227. Yeah it bums me that I won't buy the SBD or TBF (unless I find an extraordinary deal). But it does seem they would sell quite a few more if they lowered the prices to a more competitive level.
But hey it ain't a neccessity.
Frank
Reply to
Gray Ghost
All I know is, for that kind of money ,I could buy at least 5 or 6 other kits to add to the huge pile that I'm never gonna build.
Reply to
Mucker
...which is certainly another way to look at it. I'd rather spend more money on fewer kits that I really want, and may also actually get around to building before my demise.
Reply to
Rufus
I fully agree. There have been many kits I did not buy 'cause I thought they were overpriced. We as consumers need to realize that ultimately we have the final say over prices. If we stop buying kits that are too expensive, the prices will eventually come down. Those firms that continually overprice their kits will go out of business. Some firms hope to make money by selling a few kits at huge markup, others by selling many kits at lower markup. We ultimately decide who stays in business and who does not.
Reply to
Don Stauffer
Also a lot of Trumpeter kits have been marked down after the next "generation" appears, the TBF-1C was almost 1.000 DKK before and now I bought onr for less than 700DKK - still a lot, but also a big kit with lots of details.
Reply to
Claus Gustafsen
Also a lot of Trumpeter kits have been marked down after the next "generation" appears, the TBF-1C was almost 1.000 DKK before and now I bought onr for less than 700DKK - still a lot, but also a big kit with lots of details.
Reply to
Claus Gustafsen
Don wrote (in part)
come down. Those firms that
Good idea Don, but no cigar!
If this process worked as advertised, then Mach 2 and Combat Models would have been out of business a long time ago.
I think all that really happens is the smart ones don't buy the kit, but at the inflated prices they sell enough to make money regardless of us.
Like many, I find the current prices of kits to be almost beyond belief, but then I find most current prices that way. Maybe another way of looking at it is to take the hours of enjoyment (??) a kit provides and divide it by the cost of the kit. I suspect the resulting hourly cost of the kit would compare very well with other forms of entertainment.
Now the real head shrinking question we all should try to answer is why do we buy kits and just stuff them into the stash with no real plan to build them? At my age I have no business buying any more kits as I have many times more than I will ever get built. But so far that has not stopped my buying more. Do you suppose it is a bit like the woman's shoe thing?
Norm
Reply to
Norm Filer
Hey Mr. Ghost:
The Halinski 1/33 SBD is a brand new cardstock model designed with the latest CAD/CAM/CAE technology. See prototype build pictures at ......
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Cost .... about $15 I think .... 1,700 parts. Do a good job of it, and you have a replica equal to if not better then the Trumpeter model.
If a few of you plastic modelers started buying/building/contesting the Polish paper models, maybe Trumpeter might get more realistic on their pricing.
I like the paper models because they come in magazine format with marvelously bright 4-color offset printing. Since all the painting is done for you, the sub-assemblies look as they will when the model is finished. The current research accuracy of these models, with their paint schemes and weathering, is top notch.
I suggest, Mr. Ghost, that you buy the Halinski SBD sight unseen, since the cost is so reasonable; and you can hardly go wrong financially. Hopefully you will also stop your whiny complaints.
..../V
Reply to
Vess Irvine
There's probably a better chance that a woman will wear all of her shoes at least once. ;)
Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Reply to
Mad-Modeller

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