Does anyone know how dirty in reality tank exhaust were? Is this ok to paint whole area dark gray dirty? Or should the exhaust be rusty with just the dirty inside? I suppose it depends on the quality of the fuel.
Can you direct me to some photos that would show the looks of dirty exhaust?
Maciek
depends on the motor. disele smoke is black and can be very thick depending on the load on the engine. gas motors can have white, gray or black smoke. white is usually when it's cold or water is getting in the cylinders. gray can be a slightly worn motor with some slop. black is usually a warn out or just rebuilt motor. a lot also depends on valves, rings, type, load and maintenance. my dad said the tigers were belchers, the panthers sometimes and the mkiv's even less. he said you caould always tell where a german tank started in the morning by the cloud. your mileage depends on engine wear....
Early tigers were smokers by my uncles account and I've seen old movies of them smoking. I imagine it cleared up as they ran a wile but I would think it would be enough to leave a black residue. I always add a healthy amount of black to the exhaust area of my tigers. 2c
B.H.
and diesels always smoke under load. when my flightline van is hauling up a long hill pulling a heavy trailer, it positively belches it out. watch a loaded 18 wheeler on a hard hill. they also blow a cloud when the load is released.
Yep and those Tigers weighed 60 ton!!!!!! Just taking off on flat ground was a load :)
BH
and if memory serves, the motor was only about 500hp making the tank a dog, underpowered and slow. just turning the turret was a killing slow process. shermans could out turn their guns and it must have saved a lot of crews. history channel had a program that said it took 4 shermans to kill one tiger. 3 to distract by dying while one snuck up behind. seems like a very grim balance, i wonder if it's correct?
Yea they were underpowered but had a big gun and good armor. They still put the hurt on us big time. I wouldn't have wanted to take on a Tiger division with a sherman group. The King tiger was much better but came too late in the game, thank God!
BH
the king was still underpowered too. wasn't it basically the same motor? or am i thinking of the upgraded panther?
Tiger's engine - Maybach HL230P45; 12 cylinder, Horsepower 700 at 3000 rpm similar 700hp engines in Panter (45t), King Tiger (68t) , SturmTiger (65t)
Maciek
that much? they were sure dog's, even with that.
Sure there were slow.
But imagine 53 ton KV-2 with 550 hp engine :) top speed 16.2 cross country 9.3 mph
Maciek
He was just making a hp to weight comparison.
BH
hokay
Thanks a lot for the source Maciek , great site ! But , from your source I see the Tigers used the HL210 P45 (gasoline) engine until Dec '43 and then switched to the HL230 P45 (gasoline) engine from then on . Howerver the Kingtiger used the HL230 P30 Diesel .
I know I was in disbelief when I first read they acually used a gas engine for such a heavy machine.
Oh well , no-ones perfect .
noddy
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