OT: comp.cad.solidworks Charter changes

WAAAHHHHH !!!!

I went to Google groups and looked, this group compared to others has remarkably few OT posts compared to others.

Luckily this group hasn't been contaminated as much as alt.machines.cnc, mostly by Cliff and his group of cross posting political extremists.

According to Google Cliff made 2,500 posts and as OP mostly cross posted to:

"alt.machines.cnc, misc.survivalism, rec.crafts.metalworking, alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics, alt.impeach.bush, alt.politics.republican, alt.usenet.kooks, alt.stupidity"

Cliff said he agreed with the Charter changes here but when asked repeatedly in alt.machines.cnc to quit cross posting to the extremist groups and leading them back to us has refused to do so.

According to Google Jon made 564 under he real name and a few more if you count his known aliases, as OP normally he cross posted to:

"alt.machines.cnc, comp.cad.solidworks"

And to be fair according to Google I made 245 posts, None were OP and I never knowingly added a cross post.

The best to hope for in this group is that Cliff never decides to add it to his normal cross posting groups. Jon stated he doesn't care what people think and has no intentions of stopping. I am living up to my agreement.

Tom

I'm ambivalent. I don't like any solutions* I can conjure any more than most I've read**.

What I wonder, though, is if blocking a robot spammer is censorship? Does it make a difference if it is warm blooded?

• Pelt the person on the soapbox with beer bottles until they leave. It's cras and cyber bottles are ineffective, as I've witnessed and, on occasion, demonstrated.

** Of all the suggestions I've seen I like comp.cad.solidworks.moderated the best. If there is enough genuine interest to make it a reality. If that is the route to take; make it binary?

Black Dragon's logic: if there's a pile of crap on the kitchen floor, you shouldn't turn on the light.

More like: if the dog crap's on the kitchen floor at night stop locking him in lock him out.

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Person

You can teach a dog a lot with such an excercise. They either learn not to crap on the floor if they get let back in or the end up freezing to death outside. The trick is to get the dog to realize he's being taught a lesson. The ones that don't clue in aren't missed much Tom.

Oh man if my wife heard you talk like that.....her idea of punishing the dogs might be turning off their air conditioning.....LOL.

My comments about Google Groups wasn't meant to imply any sort of elitism. The simple fact of the matter is and my point was, with proper news reading software the little bit of noise cross posted here which prompted the idea for the proposed change can be easily ignored with simple filters. The same can't be said for Google Groups.

I shouldn't have spoken for the B8MB above, that was a mistake. (I should have suggested instead the required "process" to make the change) But I do expect the fact you've asked bloggers who likely have never even heard of Usenet to begin with to come to comp.cad.solidworks and support a proposed change to a newsgroup they have never used and likely never will will not sit to well with the folks involved in the "process".

You responded to a randomly generated signature. Congratulations.

Not from real news servers it isn't, it's going to be on Usenet for years to come.

Tom, I was referring to all the "I Agree" posts from people I've never seen here before. And I was right. Matt admitted he brought people here from his blog to support the proposed change. I'm quite confident that won't sit too well with the people responsible for making the actual change. The change must go through a formal discussion process and if that's the basis for support of a new newsgroup or charter change I doubt it'll be approved and my opinion is based on similar failed proposals discussed in the past.

And I agree with you. Cliff's a major problem because he's not smart enough to figure out where to post his political drivel despite the many many attempts to educate him. In Jon's case, he mostly posts about CAD and CAD/CAM software which at least semi on topic here.

Exacty!... you understand now! (tears of joy rolling down my face.....)

Ah well,.. that's sad to know... damn... so much wasted hope.... so little bandwidth.

.. top posting,... and the study of "den mother netiquette anal repetitious"... ;^)

Charter changes accomplish exactly nothing. I'm sure the Bambies will be pleased to approve it.

Indeed.

The charter change currently being discussed is to change comp.cad.solidworks to a (robo)moderated newsgroup. I already explained the chances of that happening are quite slim and if a moderated group is wanted it likely will have to be a new group.

Nothing sinister about it, if you are going to have a vote and want to win it's smart to have a get out the vote campaign.

Took a quick look at some votes, seems pretty clean, only saw three votes from people who haven't posted here before, could be lurkers though.

Tom

Valid point, you just used humor to make it.

Tom

You are as full of crap as ever Bob. This endeavor has nothing to do with moderation and everything to do with utility. Pardon me, or not, but screw you.

Your "comments" were exactly that.

Frankly BD, who cares about what you have seen here before?

It's damn difficult to change the moderation status of an existing group because there's no reliable way to make sure that every server that's created the group has changed the moderation flag.

Incidentally, [meta] is the usual Subject tag to use for such discussions, not OT, even though, yeah, it's off topic.