bob z. takes offense if anyone calls him an engineer. bob z. is a draftsman that is required to draw things from scratch. engineers are smart and know a lot of math and can apply what they know. bob z. just fudges and kludges his way through. bob z. is an idiot that can barely remember to breathe most of the time.
bob z. can say that he is a draftsman because he remembers most of what he learned in high school drafting class.
bob z. ps I'm an outcast riding into town alone I got a lust for wandering branded deeper than the bone
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yeah, it happens to the best of us, don't sweat it son, just as long as you come back is the onliest thing that counts
well, yes, but some would call themselves inventors or consultants or designers or modelers or industrial designers even some medical students
I've got a Mfg Eng degree. Hope that doesn't put me on Bob Z.'s shitlist. although I must say I'm most comfortable on the shitlist, and its pretty familiar territory
Engineering certification usually depends on what you are doing. If you are involved with things that deal with public safety such as bridges, buildings, etc. you have to have the Professional Engineer registration.
If you design shitty consumer products, you don't.
in no way, shape, or form will that put you on bob z.'s shit list. bob z. is sorry if that removes the familiarity that you enjoy so much. :~)>
bob z. enjoys being near people who are smarter. (which is pretty easy to do, by the way...) bob z. looks up to people who were strong enough to stick it out and make it to the end and obtain a degree. the greatest thing a person can do is set their sights on something and finish it! bob z. has never finished anything. bob z. doesn't deserve to be called something as honorable as 'engineer'.
bob z. p.s. why, Daisy, do you hate consumer design so much?
I live in Wisconsin, near Milwaukee. What part of Wisconsin are you in?
I am an engineer (BSME from Marquette '94). I am working freelance/contract work so that I can remain active in design instead of moving into management. I also do some SW API programming and I am a rep for a sales firm that sells pollution control and HVAC sensors and controls.
You teach drafting, eh? I wish more people would learn. I put a high value on good drafting skills. Drafting is THE key to communicating a design. Good drafting begets good quotes and good parts.
I even lower than ol' bob z. I don't put myself into any groups. (That would be unfair to the people who are in those groups) I am neither a draftsman nor an engineer. Heck I'm not much of anything at all, but maybe a guy who can take most software (tools) and make them do what I want...(kinda like a big hammer) Click enough buttons and something might happen ;-)
ps bob z. I have a tattoo on my arm that says: in, out, in, out....repeat as necessary. discontinue use under water.....
Ol Bo is just a designer-inventor who has stuck with breathing equipment since the late 60s, and is so stuck he can't seem to stop from breathing. I mostly design disposable medical products for Respiratory Care & Anasthesia applications.
Trained on drafting with napkins & envelopes, & initiated with coated vellum and ink ruling pens, and then onto plastic leads and polyester, with CAD appearing finally in the late 80s. Its been a hell of a ride. What counts in the end isn't the training or the "certification", but whether you can deliver the goods.
I dream it up, patent it, and get it produced. Occassionally sell a company. Earn some money once-in-awhile to continue. Learned the hard way several times that the people closest to you are potentially the biggest crooks (whoosh...right over a 20 something's head).
Doing things truly better all the way around is what I love to do. Take something that hasn't changed in a long time and fix everything right. Reduce weight, size, material cost, cycle time, pieces, and make it so it is easy to automate the assembly so I can sell in the U.S for less than the Chinese. I'll try to post what I do once the latest round of patent applications are all filed.
Bo (Burrell Clawson if you check patents at USPTO.gov)
I'm like bob zee. low on the poll. I practice engineering or designing as others would say, shucks I even have the ITT Industrial Drafting certificate that proves I can at least draft my way out of a paper sack...
Well a mechanical diploma guy, i used to work with a VAR as a technical support engineer almost from last 1 year. I like SW for its simplicity to use over other SW. I started using it in year 2001, then changed my job from designer to tool maker. And last year I joined the VAR for the technical support and started working again on the SW. Now I have left the VAR and working as freelancer.
I'm a designer working my way to my BSME, planning on getting the PE eventually. But I come to this whole thing sideways - used to be a film & video editor! BTW, Bob Z, there was a prominent Bob Z on an Avid user group I used to read regularly - any relation?
Musician with a day job, as they say. I've made my living in fabricating, and can make anything you want and run pretty much any basic machine. I also supervised some control valve assembly departments and worked quite a bit with new product introductions. Software that's easy to use keeps me from getting my hands dirty everyday, and makes my boss happy and rich.