Good clean smoke fluid needed...

Remember the rules in the chemistry profession. If you can smell it, it is way over safety levels. Put another way, the only known safe level of inhaled chemicals, is zero.

I would hesitate to fill my layout room air with a chemical of unknown long range properties. It might be wonderful when you are in your 20s, but it might also require you to armchair railroad from your nursing home bed when you are in your later years. You won't know till then.

krf

If you had done any research on these "air purifiers", you would have known that what you have cannot be legally purchased in Canada because Health Canada shut down Alpine's sales in this country.

They are dangerous things; I would suggest you take a look at Health Canada's website to see why. It's very clearly explained that these things are ozone generators, and that ozone is a terribly potent lung irritant. Us folks with allergies and/or asthma know that these machines are a health-endangering rip-off, sold through semi-legal pyramid sales.

They're probably not being very co-operative with you because they know what their legal liabilities are, and are pretty wary of court situations. After all, the US gov't has had them in court numerous times, mainly on charges of false advertising; i.e. claiming their machines are "air purifiers".

I'd suggest filling the smoke chamber with birdseed and hanging the cursed contraption in a tree in your back yard. At least it would be useful as a bird feeder.

Garth.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2005 10:43:21 -0400, krf claims:

I don't know about that. I inhaled a lot of American Flyer smoke when I was a kid, and I still average three miles a day running.

Cordially, Ken (NY)

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Garthga... to post such an off-topic reply in model railroading newsgroups, you probably work with a government's health organization. The ones that are on the "better be safe than sorry" side, instead of doing their homework and get the facts. The same stupid people that banned ozone that are now starting to accept cold plasma air purification systems in public buildings like hospitals claiming it's not ozone but "activated oxygen"...wow! Please answer the question in my OP or don't type! KRF wrote: "I would hesitate to fill my layout room air with a chemical of unknown long range properties." In my case it's not the railroad layout room that will be "filled" but the small acrylic test chamber. Smoke fluid based on glycols has been used since a few decades in the entertainment industry without any adverse effects except dryness for some people since Glycols tends to remove moiture. Kind of usefull in a bar ;-) Ken wrote: "I don't know about that. I inhaled a lot of American Flyer smoke when I was a kid, and I still average three miles a day running." Wow... great health! I don't run/walk that much.Well...not everyday. Probably too much ozone inhaled. LOL ;-)

-- Alain(alias:Kilowatt) Montréal Québec PS: 1000 excuses for grammatical errors or omissions, i'm a "pure" french canadian! :-) (If replying also by e-mail, remove "no spam" from the adress.)

you can always take up smoking cigarettes

Hi Randy... i bet that cigarette smoke would leave less residue than Bachman's fluid. :-) This week, i'll try this one since in some forum's archives, a few posters said that they're very satisfied with the results.

actually cigarette smoke from flavored American blend cigarettes contains propylene glycol (just like Bachman) too

it's added as a humectant

"KILOWATT" wrote in news:kEqoe.44209$ snipped-for-privacy@news20.bellglobal.com:

How many times do you plan to post this tirade? I've seen it five times so far today, all in rec.models.railroad.

I've replied to Garthga ONCE and it was on june 4th.

"KILOWATT" wrote in news:W33pe.3910 $ snipped-for-privacy@news20.bellglobal.com:

My apologies. I guess my news server hiccoughed.

Dear krf,

Gosh, I had better go and dig up those roses, then. And oh my -- isn't oxygen a chemical? Good thing I have this plastic bag for my head.

I understand what you are trying to say, but please remember that not everybody is a chemist and that loose talk like this last post of yours is what causes this rampant chemophobia we have these days...there is such a thing as exposure limits and they are not all zero...

Cordially yours, Gerard P.

Hi everyones. As an update, i've found the smoke fluid that produce a lot a smoke, yet leaves no residue inside the Living Proof demo unit.

-- Alain(alias:Kilowatt) Montréal Québec PS: 1000 excuses for grammatical errors or omissions, i'm a "pure" french canadian! :-) (If replying also by e-mail, remove "no spam" from the adress.)

kilowatt wrote: Hi everyones. As an update, i've found the smoke fluid that produce a lot a smoke, yet leaves no residue inside the Living Proof demo unit.

Bill Bill's Railroad Empire N Scale Model Railroad:

Hi Bill... i bet you'll choose Baking Bread. :-) I personally choosen the now unavailable Oil Burning Loco, because i needed a strong yet not really pleasant scent since the last step of the Living proof's demonstration is odour removal capability of ozone. :-) Nice N scale train layout!

Kilowatt wrote: Hi Bill... i bet you'll choose Baking Bread. :-) *** Nice N scale train layout!

--------------------------------------------------- Baking Bread. I like it! Thanks for the nice comment about my layout, Kilowatt.

Bill Bill's Railroad Empire N Scale Model Railroad:

I think their formula is based on the same formula used in Pro-Audio and stage equipment for sending smoke out on the stage or dance floor.