Hi TAB. Yes, Hornby models are 00, which, in the UK, is as popular as
H0 is in Europe and the US.
British 00 is modelled at 4mm to the foot, but running on the same H0
track as used worldwide. Don't ask why - Greg will tell you :-)
As far as I know, Hornby only produce UK outline models at present, and
yes, the live steam locos are extremely impressive.
Since Greg didn't, I'll provide some of the history!
Way back in the dim dark ages, (1938 + ) when HO was first appearing,
the electric motors available were not small enough to fit within the
bodies of English (British) steam locomotives. Going from 1:87 to 1:72
in scale provided enough additional space to be able to motorize some of
the larger locomotives. (Even so, some of the smaller locomotives were
dummy (unpowered) with a 'motorized' tender, or in some cases of really
small locos, a motorized 'baggage car' of 'box car' to move the train.
By the 1950s, the available motors were such that such a solution
wouldn't have been needed, but there was already to large a number of
modelers using the OO/HO system, thus it continues through the present,
with some modelers using 19mm (true OO gauge), most using 16.5mm, and
most being quite happy with their results. (Which is what really matters)
Close - 1923 on. Bing.
Europe 1:90 (Trix) - 1:80 (Rivarossi) scale but settled at 1:87 in the
Great Britain and USa 1:76.2 4mm:1 foot. scale.
18.82mm gauge - quite popular in Britain.
While researching British OO + HO before WWII, I found that the terms
were interchangeable until Hornby Dublo released their range in 1938, HO
could be applied to 4mm scale and OO to 3.5mm scale or vice versa.
I dispute this: when did we (US) use anything other than today's HO scale?
And in any case, why do you insist on denigrating us with that odd
abbreviation (USa)? What's with the lowercase "a"?
Maybe we should retaliate by abbreviating it "Nz", eh?
Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
Well, we're wandering off railway topics here, but you yanks do seem to
insist on hyjacking the term "American" to mean "of the USa".
The lower case "a" is my little objection.
BTW I use the term "yank" with no intention to offend, (just as I assume
you use the term "American" with no intent to offend) It's the only term
I know other than "citizens of the United States of America" that is
understood world-wide without the sideways spit.
"Yank" with the uppercase "Y" apparently is offensive to many of you.
"Nz" would just be interpreted as typical US inability to spell, just as
in "colour", "aluminium", "tyre", "cheque" and etc.
(retires to concrete bunker)
How about prior to WWII ---- LIONEL produced OO Scale in both two and
three rail (To 19mm gauge, 2mm/ft. scale the 19.92 gauge is 'Fine Scale
standards (GB) maybe a lone wolf or two here in the States)
Well maybe if you can't allow for obvious typos, go ahead. It would seem
quite juvenile to me. JMHO
Nah, he's not. We're Canadians up here, not Americans. You call us
Americans, and we'll,, er, we'll. um we'll -- well, I'm not sure what
we'll do to you. Probably apologise to you for not correcting your
And those people south of the Rio Grande are Mexicanos, not Americans.
But their relatives who've migrated to the USA are Latinos. Even when
they've become American citizens.
So be careful whom you call what around here, eh?
"It's not that we are better, it's that we're not as worse."
Yeah, I know you avoid the issue for various reasons but I don't need
Imagine if the Swiss said "From now on Europe means Switzerland
Imagine if the Cambodians said "From now on Asia means Cambodia
Imagine if the Ghanians said "From now on Africa means Ghana
Imagine if the Columbians said "From now on America means Columbia
Imagine if the Canadians said "From now on America means Canada
Imagine if the Australians said "From now on Australia means Australia
exclusively". (hold on, that one doesn't work)
OK, I tried to set you straight politely.
Pay attention to what people want to call themselves, and follow suit.
Insisting on your notion of what I should call myself is not only
stupid, it's profoundly insulting.
Pay attention to who is being insulted by arrogant people/nations
calling themselves illogical terms.
Insisting that I use stupid terms just because you insist on being
stupid is only adding another layer of stupidity to your resume.
I don't care what you call yourself but don't expect me to insult a
billion odd people just because you do.
I'm not in the argument, I'm a disinterested bystander giving you some
useful advice while refusing to join in with your insult.
That tends to make _you_ the non-thinking idiot.
If you find my advice insulting then either don't read my advice or try
thinking until you understand my point.
Wolf, here's an analogy - If I tell you "don't step in front of the bus"
and you argue because you can't see any danger in stepping in front of
the bus, I really don't have any obligation to explain the situation
BUT, when you tell me that I am insulting you by not stepping in front
of the bus and further that I am wrong because everyone steps in front
of buses then I begin to feel insulted by you.
I'm _not_ going to insult a billion odd people (population of the
Americas(?)) to spare the feelings of 300 million. If you can't
understand the insult that you give then that is entirely _your_ lack. I
have no interest in insulting the people of the USa.
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