More Press On UP Licencing

That's a pretty dumb comment, I must say. No... it's just plain stupid.

Yeah, my wife is registered at chicagotribune.com. She does transit studies (including rail) in the midwest and needs to be on top of the news in various markets. And Chicago is the big market for mass transit.

So I got to see the article with no hassle. And no -- we don't get deluged with junk from chicagotribune.com.

She is not ignorant of the internet. She uses it to her advantage.

She is not ignorant of the world. She has been planning mass transit systems for almost twenty years. And she has been very successful at it. (Heck, she's a big part of the reason why I get the money and time to play with trains - sometimes!)

She is not ignorant of the human condition... oh wait, she married me.

- Mark

Heck, we can't even do that sometimes.

I attended a two-day short course on "railway bridge engineering" at the main campus of our state university last winter, and even in that case the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance-of-Way Association required permission to include copyrighted material from their "Manual For Railway Engineering" (the accepted norm for designing railway structures in North America) in the course notes.

> you may have to register to read but its free, Bruce

OK, here's one for all the rec.models.railroad whiners:

"Model train fans steamed by UP plan" Billings Gazette, June 29, 2004

It's the same article except it leaves out the trite and annoying "thinks it can, thinks it can" introduction and the two subheadings: "Fallen flags a tinderbox" and "Lionel, Athearn sued."

I'd like to know if the whiner who commented "I for one will be repainting all my UP stock with my own private logo!" will really follow through, or if he is just being a Rathburne.

This is permitted: you are relinquishing your copy. The fact that you put it on public view is OK. Same goes for libraries lending copies: it is permitted because the physical copy is no longer in their possession.

Oh, and the US "law" has been actually quoted in this website several time. Oztrainman apparently refuses to read it, or doesn't comprehend what it says.

I'm not a lawyer; I think educational users are subject to the same restrictions as reviewers: they can't just copy entire articles, chapters, or books (no substantial reprints). Otherwise, I suspect that no college text books would ever be sold and professors would have to resort to teaching instead of publishing (that's a joke, son): someone would just scan the books in, post them on the education institution computer and make it available to students only.

When in doubt, institutions always check with their attorney (or have pre-done so and have a policy). School plays pay royalties (big ones, when I was doing such things ages ago in high school: Oklahoma cost a bundle).

Ed

in article slJGc.317$ snipped-for-privacy@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, Mark Mathu at snipped-for-privacy@mathu.com wrote on 7/6/04 7:38 PM:

I looked at the registration form for the Trib and it was pretty much name, address, email and a opt out of non-tribune junk mail. It turns out that I'm registered with the SJ Mercury (I live here and am a subscriber who wanted more comics!) and their memberships overlap. And, no I don't get tons of junk mail from that source, either. Beside, I use the Spaminator at Earthlink.

Ed

in article wiJGc.311$ snipped-for-privacy@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, Mark Mathu at snipped-for-privacy@mathu.com wrote on 7/6/04 7:30 PM:

Your quite right Mark. I posted note about an accident on the UP at the same time. You are correct that the CT article that required registration was the one about licensing. I stand corrected. Bruce

Wasn't me, but I for one will promise to do the same!

Don't have any UP rolling stock, and never will - there were plenty other railroads in that part of the country (GN, NP, BN, SF, etc. etc.) with better looking logos, too.

What I already have (1 gon) will stay UP, but I won't be buying anything new.

Jay Americans have the best legislature money can buy. Unfortunately it's corporate money.

In Canada, educational institutions pay a fee to a central agency for the right to copy and distribute materials such as magazine articles, excerpts from textbooks, etc, in the classroom. A similar central fee paying program exists for church music. I don't know exactly how the fees are distributed to the publishers, but AFAIK they run the agency.

Hey Mark, did you let her design your model railroad layout??? Do you let her run your trains??? Smart man... : )

dlm

And if you make a monkey angry, he'll take a crap and then fling it at you.

I wouldn't make the neighbors angry if I were you...

Don't bother to reply via email...I've been JoeJobbed.

No way! I'm modeling a prototype that dropped all passenger service 55 years ago.

If it were up to her, the who layout would be PCCs and DMUs. I tell her that is that were the case my whole layout would be a bunch of empty passenger cars and abandoned tracks.

(She's having a hard time understanding why my trains need to switch industries which are actually just bare pieces of plywood, and the end of the line is just a bunch of cork roadbed, however.)

- Mark

D'oh! Let's try that again: If it were up to her, the whole layout would be PCCs and DMUs. I tell her if that were the case my whole layout would be a bunch of empty passenger cars and abandoned tracks.

Maybe you need to explain it to her in her terms... just tell her that you are building your commuter road for future urban expansion. But for the time being, industries have located there until people want to build houses. : )

dlm