New York (area) boxcab electrics

The pilot trucks (in front) were used to help the locomotives ease into a turn smoother. The trailing truck (under the cab) were to help support longer fireboxes and the cab. They were somewhat load bearing, but since they were not powered, there was little weight on them.

If I'm remembering the correct locos, the front bogie (2') swivells on the Driver frame (B) which either swivells on the mainframe/body (2'B)'(B 2')' and is therefore a bogie on a bogie, or it's a double loco

Greg.P.

Frank A. Rosenbaum spake thus:

Gee, I didn't know that was one of them steam-powered boxcab electrics ...

I don't think there was ever a class like that, but I think one of the experimental designs for the Pennsylvania electrification was that way. I think it may have even had a GG1 style body on it rather than a boxcab.

The T-1b was a B-B+B-B. The two frames were articulated together, while the carbody rode on top, relieved of buff and draft forces. The leading and trailing bogies *were* load-bearing.

The railings are simply to protect the entryway into the loco cab and the area around the sandboxes, although no doubt shunters used them when required.

The nearest electric loco to your description is the PRR P-5a. I think they probably operated around New York. A Pennsy fan could give you a definitive answer on where they ran.

Cheers,

Mark.

The later P-5b locos had a GG-1 style body, the earlier P-5as were boxcabs. They were a production loco, not an experimental.

In message , Mark Newton writes

Fascinating. I see what you mean about the p-5b :

Oh, I see. Thank you.

Yes, understood.

Thanks to Mark, and everyone who commented. Very informative.

Reason for the last question was in connection with a loco I have, probably home made, brass boxcab body. We are talking pre war 0 gauge tinplate, not scale models. This particular loco uses a Lionel (steam)

Graeme spake thus:

Yep.

Now, if I can try to steer this conversation a little more on-topic (re:models), and coincidentally towards one of *my* favorite locos: how about models of the Milwaukee bi-polars? Anyone familiar with these?

I've seen some in brass; very nice, but expen$ive. Did anyone ever make this in plastic? How about scratchbuilt models? (I'm thinking HO here, but info about any other scales welcome too.)

In message , David Nebenzahl writes

I'm not into modern 0 gauge, either three rail or scale, but have a vague feeling that MTH (Mike's Train House) have built a Milwaukee bi-polar.

The only Bi-Polar models I know of were in brass, Ho and O scale, by Custom Brass. To my knowledge ther has never been a plastic HO Bi-Polar.

But don't take my word for it, at least not without a large grain of salt.

You mean the DL-102? Only a few produced before production was frozen at the Dahmer-Lecter works.

How about our Secretary of State?

Steve Caple spake thus:

All this time, I thought those were the famous "clown face" locos made at the Gacy plant ...