Can any tell me if micro engineering code 70 rail joiners are
compatible with shinohara code 70 can not find any shinohara any
where. Need nickle silver and plastic both.
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- posted 14 years ago
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- posted 14 years ago
Which scale? I did a search for "micro engineering code 70 rail
joiners" and found that there is N scale and HO scale code 70.
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- posted 14 years ago
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- posted 14 years ago
Something to remember!!
Code 70 is Code 70 is Code 70!!!!!!!
The Code 70 refers to the rail cross section measuring .070" in the 1:1 'real world' (where WE live). There MAY be rail joiners marketed as being 'HO' or 'N', but either will fit the rail. Differences might be 'thickness' of the metal, length of the 'joiner'.
Chuck D.
Code 70 is Code 70 is Code 70!!!!!!!
The Code 70 refers to the rail cross section measuring .070" in the 1:1 'real world' (where WE live). There MAY be rail joiners marketed as being 'HO' or 'N', but either will fit the rail. Differences might be 'thickness' of the metal, length of the 'joiner'.
Chuck D.
- posted 14 years ago
No, no and NO!
"Code 70" (and every other "Code") refers to the height of the rail. Where rail joiners are concerned the important dimension is the width of the foot of the rail. ME's Code 70 for HO may be the same as ME's Code 70 rail for N, there again it might well be different. I use ME HO code 70 but for obvious reasons I don't have ME's N code 70 so I can't check. Peco makes Code 55 and Code 80 for N scale - they use the same rail joiners.
I use ME code 70 track and Peco Code 75 turnouts and get away with ME rail joiners, but from memory Shinohara Code 70 rail used the same joiners as their Code 100. (I got rid of my Shinohara long ago)
Regards, Greg.P.
"Code 70" (and every other "Code") refers to the height of the rail. Where rail joiners are concerned the important dimension is the width of the foot of the rail. ME's Code 70 for HO may be the same as ME's Code 70 rail for N, there again it might well be different. I use ME HO code 70 but for obvious reasons I don't have ME's N code 70 so I can't check. Peco makes Code 55 and Code 80 for N scale - they use the same rail joiners.
I use ME code 70 track and Peco Code 75 turnouts and get away with ME rail joiners, but from memory Shinohara Code 70 rail used the same joiners as their Code 100. (I got rid of my Shinohara long ago)
Regards, Greg.P.
- posted 14 years ago
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Right!!! This was 'Codified' as an 'NMRA Recommended Practice' if my memory serves me, sometime in the early '60s The Definition (Code) was for the complete profile for the rail, the reference was by the 'height' part of the 'definition'. The problem being that all manufacturers DON't follow the rules, so there are variations from the 'defined' dimensions.
Right! [Which is why the HO/N is not pertinent]
Depending on PECO's source for their rail, this may very well be the case "FOR PECO rail".
Never for any of the Shinohara that I saw [Former hobby shop owner/ operator -- '62 through '70]
Chuck D.
Right!!! This was 'Codified' as an 'NMRA Recommended Practice' if my memory serves me, sometime in the early '60s The Definition (Code) was for the complete profile for the rail, the reference was by the 'height' part of the 'definition'. The problem being that all manufacturers DON't follow the rules, so there are variations from the 'defined' dimensions.
Right! [Which is why the HO/N is not pertinent]
Depending on PECO's source for their rail, this may very well be the case "FOR PECO rail".
Never for any of the Shinohara that I saw [Former hobby shop owner/ operator -- '62 through '70]
Chuck D.
- posted 14 years ago
Possibly because it would be stupid to define the profile, particularly
as the prototype profile isn't rigidly defined.
At the modelling level, very few of the manufacturers are actually
situated in the USa, so they are more likely to use a profile that
matches their own prototypes or a profile that suits their manufacturing
processes.
Compare a prototype 11.2" high rail profile with a 6.09" high profile
rail and note the different profiles. They aren't the same. Further,
check rail profiles of (say) 1847, 1927 and 2007 - they are not the
same. I for one object to "standards" that do not match the prototype.
True, the width of the foot of the rail is pertinent, not to mention the depth of the foot and it's angle of taper from centre to edge.
Fair enough.
True, the width of the foot of the rail is pertinent, not to mention the depth of the foot and it's angle of taper from centre to edge.
Fair enough.
- posted 14 years ago
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Wow, you must have Superman's microscopic vision!
- posted 14 years ago
It ain't that hard Wolf.
IF you have all the same rail, then it's hard to notice any difference.
Mixing different rail 'profiles' while maintaining the same Code size, the difference will show up. maybe not a glaring thing, but just 'something' about the scene doesn't 'look right'.
Just like in HO, a layout using Code 100 flex track looks great, till someone slips a section of Code 70 into the scene. The can notice VERY small 'glitches' in consistency of the scene.
Chuck D.
IF you have all the same rail, then it's hard to notice any difference.
Mixing different rail 'profiles' while maintaining the same Code size, the difference will show up. maybe not a glaring thing, but just 'something' about the scene doesn't 'look right'.
Just like in HO, a layout using Code 100 flex track looks great, till someone slips a section of Code 70 into the scene. The can notice VERY small 'glitches' in consistency of the scene.
Chuck D.
- posted 14 years ago
Just last night at the club I was laying some code 70 from 83 into
what will be an old rattle trap caboose yard.
I tried like hell to get the ME code 70 joiners to work ( just on the code 70 ) and finally gave up. I kept looking at them and thinking these look too small for HO, but as people on here have posted, 70 is 70 is 70 ?
Unless you are an expert track person, I'd advise against using them/
For what it's worth, I've layed alot of track but I am NO expert.
I now plan on cutting the ME code 70 rail joiners in pieces and will try to make scale flattened out beer can trash along the right of way
I tried like hell to get the ME code 70 joiners to work ( just on the code 70 ) and finally gave up. I kept looking at them and thinking these look too small for HO, but as people on here have posted, 70 is 70 is 70 ?
Unless you are an expert track person, I'd advise against using them/
For what it's worth, I've layed alot of track but I am NO expert.
I now plan on cutting the ME code 70 rail joiners in pieces and will try to make scale flattened out beer can trash along the right of way
- posted 14 years ago
I did get my eyes calibrated and engraved with thous of millimeter
markings in 1985 - otherwise they're quite normal - why do you ask?
If you look carefully at different sizes of rail you'll notice that the
proportions between head, web and foot vary, modern rail having
(generally) a taller web.
Regards, Greg.P.
Regards, Greg.P.
- posted 14 years ago
You need to chamfer the edges of the foot of ME code 70 HO rail to get
the rail joiners on, then they go on fine and _tightly_.
Regards, Greg.P.
Regards, Greg.P.
- posted 14 years ago
"Greg Procter" wrote
In fact, slightly chamfering the feet of the rail ends is a good idea *any* time.
Glad you mentioned it.
Pete
In fact, slightly chamfering the feet of the rail ends is a good idea *any* time.
Glad you mentioned it.
Pete
- posted 14 years ago
I had a journey on the Zillertalbahn (Austrian Narrow Gauge)this summer.
Looking at the rail it "looked" bigger (in height) than the rail on our
local (Essex UK) tracks. I'm sure if I measured it it wouldn't have been. I
suppose it was a combination of the ballasting, being closer to the track
etc.
Tony
- posted 14 years ago
The Zillertalbahn is using standard gauge rail when replacing worn rail.
It's cheaper to buy "off the shelf" than lighter rail made specially.
Mind you, Peco got there ahead of them with their narrow gauge model
track.
Regards, Greg.P.
Regards, Greg.P.
- posted 14 years ago
"Wolf Kirchmeir" wrote
Nope. Just takes getting used to.
I'm a luthier by trade (I build and repair high-quality instruments such as guitars, mandolins, banjos and cetera) and that requires me to distinguish between steel strings that are quite small in diameter. After doing this for 45 years I can glance at a string and tell you whether it's a .009 or an .010 and get it right about 99% of the time.
This saves me the time I would otherwise spend grabbing my dial calipers and putting them away afterwards, and also serves to amaze the customers.
Note: I *do* wear reading glasses while at work.
Pete
Nope. Just takes getting used to.
I'm a luthier by trade (I build and repair high-quality instruments such as guitars, mandolins, banjos and cetera) and that requires me to distinguish between steel strings that are quite small in diameter. After doing this for 45 years I can glance at a string and tell you whether it's a .009 or an .010 and get it right about 99% of the time.
This saves me the time I would otherwise spend grabbing my dial calipers and putting them away afterwards, and also serves to amaze the customers.
Note: I *do* wear reading glasses while at work.
Pete
- posted 14 years ago
Thanks for the information about the Zillertalbahn rail. Everything about
the railway did look substantial. We didn't get to go on the steam hauled
service (probably took too long over breakfast!) but we did pass it going
the other way.
Tony
Tony
- posted 14 years ago
And chamfer the rail head too while you're at it. Just take a couple of
rubs with a file and eliminates the sharp corner that can cause a wheel
to pick and derail. This is especially true if the joint is on a curve.
Dale Gloer
P. Roehl> "Greg Procter" wrote
Dale Gloer
P. Roehl> "Greg Procter" wrote
- posted 14 years ago
"David Nebenzahl" wrote
That's what I do, except that I smooth the inner faces of the rail heads *before* joining the track segments together.
Trying to do it after the rails are joined would require a curved file with a radius slightly smaller than your tightest curve.
Pete
That's what I do, except that I smooth the inner faces of the rail heads *before* joining the track segments together.
Trying to do it after the rails are joined would require a curved file with a radius slightly smaller than your tightest curve.
Pete
- posted 14 years ago
On 8/25/2007 11:33 AM P. Roehling spake thus:
Those miniature file sets ("rifflers" I believe they're called) usually contain just such a file. Made in China, naturally, where all good stuff comes from.
Those miniature file sets ("rifflers" I believe they're called) usually contain just such a file. Made in China, naturally, where all good stuff comes from.
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