4mm Mark 1s

Been thinking about this recently, staying with 4mm not Trix or early Triang

The Triang Hornby ones were actually not too bad, the roofs were correct but the ends were not good.

Mainline had a good stab - they actually produced a corridor second! But the windows looke funny.

Lima - well a right mixed bag, they offered up the option of B4 bogies, but all had the roof of the corridor composite and chassis was as crude as Triangs offering. I think about half of mine are Lima or Lima based with etched sides.

The TSO and SK were again welcome. But they had holes (see later)

Now Mainline brought out the first high detail Mark 1s with the RBR, a lovely model. I manged to find some similar rubber gangways to detail most of my Lima fleet. My memory merges here with Replica. This was also the first RTR Commonwealth bogie.

All around this period there were quite a few etched sides, I shortened a Triang chassis for a BG, used the sides with a new chassis better suited to LNER. (Flying Scotsman coach), resided a Lima RBR as a RU and used a kt chassis with BCK sides.

There were some quite nice kits as well. Used them for parts too - Cooper Craft I think SK FK CK BCK and I think the FK was a first.

Now Replica had the Mainline moulds and we then got a good RTR BCK and the first scale length BG and then an Open First, all nice models looking so much better than the Lima stuff.

Now the market remains like this until Bachmann produce their models. They are similar to the Mainline Replica models but with flush glazing. They also have lots of bogie options, I own a few and have replaced the Commonwealths on a BG with B4s as almost all air braked BGs (NEAs) had B4 bogies.

Now all these different models can be scarey, but luckily the paints are all similar colours and super detailing helps Lima*.

  • BR1 - 14mm wheels, close coupled, B4 rotate 180 deg and close couple. Fit better roof vents, fit rubber gangways found a lot in a box at a model shop and cleaned them out!! Also flush glaze.

The only odd lookers really are the original Mainline models.

It though is interesting to see how the market has changed from literally brake second corridor composite to about 10 types in RTR production. People may knock the Mark 1 but it has been on our railways now for over 50 years, and has had at a quick count about 20 basic designs not including prototypes, post office, and sleepers once (all same body)

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Martin
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From a passenger comfort point of view the Mark 1s were the best of the BR designs.

Compartment stock was always better than open, because it was more personal and private. And the Mark 1 compartments were far better sound insulated than the Mark 2. Crying children in the next compartment were noisier in Mark 2 than Mark 1.

The operators didn't like third (later second) class compartments because even though they were officially four-a-side they were effectively three when the arm rests were down.

Reply to
Christopher A. Lee

Especially with B4 or Commonwealth

Done some distance in them!

haha

However TSOs are better for spotting from

Reply to
Martin

If you rotate a B$ bogie through 180 degrees, the torsion bar will be pointing the wrong way! i.e. outwards. :-))

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intercityman2000

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intercityman2000

I agree, but the original bogies were OK until they got worn. Which nobody has ever really explained, because the GWR bogies they were based on didn't have this problem.

I rode Mark 1s at 110 behind ECML Deltics and WCML electrics in the

1960s. These would (should) have had B4 or Commonwealth bogies. My first trip on the WCML electric accelerated schedules, was Euston to Stafford to look at the place before I went to college there, and the trip back had a very rough ride, probably on Mark 1s but that was the only bad one.

True.

I used to stand in the end vestibule for spotting.

You mentioned TSOs - Tourist Second Open.

The original open seconds (originally thirds) were 2+1 like the firsts, but with close seat spacing. Supporting my contention that the compartments were really three a side not four.

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Christopher A. Lee

Look at an Airfix Mk2D - correct Look at a Lima B4 - wrong way round - bar points out!!!!

Reply to
Martin

This doesn't matter now as I've moved on but when Bachman first introduced their Mk1 I assumed (wrongly) there would be a flood of cheap second-hand 'Hornby' Mk1's to go with my older locos. That doesn't appear to have happened and prices for the 'Hornby' have held up quite well.

(kim)

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kim

I wonder how they compare with mk3 compartments, soon to be removed from the Wessex units.

Chris

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Chris

I never rode those. I did once ride the REP/TC units - and they were

*fast*. Hardly surprising when the 4-REP was more that 3000 hp. With a pair of 4-TCs it meant a 12-coach train with almost the power of a Deltic, less the weight of the engine so an even better power to weight ration.

I heard stories of them doing the ton, and it didn't surprise me. But the current drawn must have been phenomenal.

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Christopher A. Lee

Not as bad as the replacements to the Cep's etc. though, how long did they sit around in sidings all over the place until Fail-track had updated all the sub-stations & TP huts?...

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:Jerry:

For anybody who wishes to know what is probably the "full" Mark 1 story, I can recommend "British Railways Mark 1 Coaches" by Keith Parkin, published by the Historical Model Railway Society, ISBN No 0-902835-22-X. There is also a supplement to the main volume, with all the things which have come to light since the first book was published. Very readable text, stacks of drawings and photographs.

Hope this is of help,

David Costigan

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David Costigan

Hi David,

Do you have a reference for the supplement please? I have the above book, so I presume the supplement would be worth having also.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Greg Procter

Has a long look [B]achmann [H]ornby/Triang Hornby [L]ima [R]eplica [M]ainline [C]oopercraft [E]tched sides - various makes ### Not blue grey

** Will be donors when more Bachmann BGs purchased

B RFO E 1106 - awaiting donor coach - see Lima BG - bought by mistake meant to get

1883 M RBR Com H RMB BR1 E BAR - awaiting donor coach - see Lima BG E RU B4 H SLC BR! R FO Com L TSO B4 L TSO ? B TSO Com B TSO ? C FK BR1 H FK ex CK BR1 (fitted with fluch glazing from [C]### B FK ? L CK ? C CK BR1 not sure if I have a Bachmann CK R BCK C E BCK BR1 (under const - bought pre Replica) C BCK BRI### M SK BR1 L SK ? B SK C C SK BR1 M BSK BR1 M BSK BR1 B BSK

L BG (NEA) B4** L BG (NEA) B4** L all blue - can't remember which EH BG (NDV) BR1 B BG (NEA) B4 poor kit BG body

3 GUVs 1 CCT

As to Airfix/Mainline/Hornby Mk2ds

4 2D TSO 4 2E TSO (moved toilets) 1 2F FO (replaced air con kit) (pre Lima) 1 2D FK 2 2D BSO - one to be conv to BFK

Don't start on 2B 2C and my Horby 2s well - some have been given to the boys due to poor bogies - olders ones kept - but those Bachmanns are so nice. Put it this way Triang Hornby from when I was a child and I bought the Mainlines when I was still at school, most recent were the Bachmanns from introduction to last year (BG).

Most purchased pre marriage. I know I have too many!!!!

Reply to
Martin

To be pedantic, it's the traction rod, not a torsion bar.

Reply to
John Nuttall

Indeed, it's a reaction control device [1] and not a spring (torsion bar) whilst to be even more pedantic, it's the traction bar, not a traction rod. :~)

[1] to stop fore and aft movement between bogie frame and bolster.
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:Jerry:

I heard that as well from someone I worked with on BR in 1980's he thought it went faster south of Micheldever I think. The 6-REP was an interesting variation a mix of REP and TC trailers saw them at Portsmouth in the 80's. They had a spare REP after they had used the others to power the Wessex units.

Chris

Chris

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Chris

That's one of the reason 3rd rail voltage was increased from 660V to

750V for the Bournemouth electrification.

Chris

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Chris

As I recall a lot went into service with power reduced so that they did not trip out the sub-stations so longer journey times for a time. One of the first big projects for Network Rail as well. As you say fancy ordering trains then not thinking about the infrastructure needs one of the many benefits of the flawed privatisation.

Chris

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Chris

I remember the French laughing when BR said they had experience of

100mph running on 3rd rail DC, when they were proposing the Eurostars doing that. And BR were vindicated.
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Christopher A. Lee

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