I have no problems with your or other people's comptromises, so long as
you/they don't insist I accept them for my own layout.
Personally, I have a problem mixing scales on _my_ layouts - I keep my
1:87 and 1:24 scales quite separate. I cringe at 1:64 scale Matchbox
toys mixed with 1:120 Matchbox toys on a layout and have done since I
was about 10 years old.
It also bothers me to see OO and HO together. My threshold appears to be
around 5% in scale difference. For example, Fleischmann used to produce
1:82 scale where the likes of Roco produced 1:87 scale, or just over 5%
difference. Rivarossi produced 1:80 at the same time. I still have very
few Italian wagons in my collection, even though there should be a
significant number, because there aren't any produced. A few old Fln
models made it in to my roster but have slowly been replaced by newer
models because they always niggled me. I'd love a Deans Goods 0-6-0,
given that several stayed in Europe after WWI, but an OO one would look
silly in my eyes.
Having a Russian or British or French or out of era loco available to
run doesn't bother me - I'm simply comparing different ways of achieving
railways. Running out of scale models does bother me - it's a personal
thing, and I know I'm not alone in that.
No, not at all, those who wish to model to as close to exact as
possible will do so in P4. You simply can't find a clue or you're just
trolling - so what are you, and clueless cretin or a clueless
I was pointing out that no one needs to reinvent the wheel so do what
you keep suggesting vast numbers of people want to do what they
Perhaps I'll go back to model aeroplanes! =8^)
Right now I'm taking a soggy brain break from CAD designing model kits
for production, so I'm well aware of the compromises involved in "scale"
My aim is to make the models as close to scale reproductions while
making them suitable for model railway operation as well as suitable for
production with the equipment I have available to me.
Some of those compromises, such as wheel standards and clearances add
together to cause obvious distortions from scale, while others such as
couplings blow the whole appearance, but generally I aim at prototypical
Narrowing the gauge by 12% (18.83>16.5) would blow the whole design!
Trolling? Well, yes. =8^)>
I realize that this discussion won't lead anywhere because the UK scale
I've nothing against people doing ridiculous things so long as they
recognise that they are.
Sure, and I'm pointing out that the UK model railway industry has
painted itself into a corner, just as it did in the 1960s with Hornby
Dublo/Trix/Tri-ang/mettatoy(?). The outcome of that situation was that
all four comercial companies folded.
It's easy to imagine that your way of modelling is the way everyone
models. (I can say that because I've been there, done that)
However, the model market is divided into (at least) three groups:
- toy train operators.
- scale modellers.
Of the firms from the 1960s, only Tri-ang survived, with new owners but
with the same products. That suggests to me that the first group is the
biggest or most influential
Judging by the present UK markets, with models that look superb but
often won't survive real and long-term operating, the "collectors" are
the second biggest group.
That leaves you in the third or least popular group.
Reading manufacturers interviews in the model mags and perusing their
catalogues, the logic behined their choices of models seems to be along
the lines of: we need a big express loco, a smaller express loco, a
small tank loco, a bigger tank loco, a medium goods loco ... not, we
need an LMS + GWR + LMS + SR + BR heavy Goods locos. When modellers
demand a specific type of loco the manufacturers appear to consider it
in terms of their current range, because a seconf small tank loco might
well take sales away from their current offerings.
An L&YR 2-4-2T isn't a likely candidate if they already offer a GWR
2-4-2T but it might be if their competitor already has the GWR 2-4-2T.
Hey, I'm a potential customer of British HO!
I currently own the Fleischmann D800 and upgraded Lima locos, a couple
of scratch built L&Y locos, four trains of coaches and around 50 goods
Many of my wagons are scratch-built or based on Lima bits.
I'd buy and own more if there were any HO manufacturers.
I agree with Jerry completely on this.
Must remember that you need a minimum number of models that would be seen
together in terms of time and space before you can have a layout.
Consequently before I could consider dumping my 40 or so OO locos and
purchasing HO then there must be sufficient models of LMS trains in 1935
livery and would have to be convinced the manufacturer(s) are going to
continue supporting the new scale.
This means until there is a critical mass of products the manufacturer isnt
going to get any of my cash and theres probably a few other modellers that
think the same.
Going to be a brave an rich manufacturer that sets off on that course
knowing that me and a few others wont be interested for the first 10 years.
 Do try to avoid the points about 'its my layout etc. They are correct
but not relevent in this thread.
it seemed the
Glade to know that you know that you are being ridiculous, what do you
not understand about the that there is no problem in the UK, those who
want to model in P4 or EM can do so and still use 99pc of a RTR model
if they so with, those who wish to model in 00 can do so, those who
just want to play trains whilst mixing and matching their collection
can do so - even to the extent that Bern loading gauge stock will fit
through 4mm = 1ft bridges and tunnels etc.
Not because they sold 4mm = 1ft models though, Hornby-Doubo folded due
to production costs and sticking with outmoded *technology* (3-rail),
Trix folded in the UK because they tried - more or less - what you are
suggesting, Tri-ang and Triang-Hornby folded due to their parent
companies (ROVEX) failings - indeed their model/toy train business was
still trading and as sold very quickly by the administrators, as for
the last am not sure if you mean Playmobil or Palitoy (TA Mainline
model railways) - the latter failed again due to the parent company
and not due to the model railway division, indeed many of the models
live on, although some have been retooled. To complete the picture,
Airfix Model Railways (later called GMR) folded due to the failings of
the parent company, again many of their 4mm model railway items live
on in either the ranges of Bachmann or Hornby.
The UK model industry has never been so health as it is now!
As I keep saying, you really don't understand the UK model railway
Those British products no longer exist.
The UK industry now barely exists! What you have is UK marketting
divisions of Chinese manufacturers.
Sure, but I'm left wondering what it is that differs from the rest of
the world, and also why it is that you think you can continue with such
an oddity as OO when the rest of the world uses HO.
It's as if you Brits carried on with Sinclair computers and BASIC when
the rest of the World went IBM and Windows.