Garden railways

You want a copy of my family tree?

The UK 1:87 society proves you wrong.

It's another "George Stephenson vs those who thought they knew better" situation. The UK should have gone 1:87 scale from the beginning. Meanwhile you're left with the majority of UK modellers running 4' scale gauge models.

Regards, Greg.P.

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Greg Procter
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Oh right, so Hornby, Bachmann, Heljan, Ratio, Wills, DJH, etc etc etc. etc. etc. don't sell anything in 4mm scale then?!.... You moron.

Now kindly f*ck off.

Reply to
:Jerry:

Compared to the tenuous claims you see on some (usually US) genealogy sites, that's a close relationship ;-)

MBQ

Reply to
manatbandq

Empirical evidence suggests not - Trix, Jeouf and Lima again. I have no idea what percentage of non-UK modellers go for UK outline, but I'd expect that it would be similar to the number of UK modellers doing non-UK outline (I'm talking Standard Gauge prototype here), i.e very small. Judging by on-line and magazine adverts for want of any better measure, I'd hazard less than 5% - well below any commercially viable level excpept possibly for specialist makers (basically kits). And even they aren't interested to date!

I don't think it needs to happen - the vast majority are quite content with things as they are. Those that aren't have plenty of options, EM etc. IF that market grew substantially then I'm sure Peco and then Hornby etc would be delighted to supply it, but the very fact that Peco produce 009 etc track and not EM/P4 just demonstrates that 16.5mm is not a real issue to the vast majority of users.

Cheers Richard

Reply to
beamendsltd

My Dad's mother kept a family tree going back several hundred years with some perhaps tenuous bits going back 800 year. On Mum's side there's two branches going back to the 1750s. Mum always went on about Dad's Yorkie family and relatives - both families came from Yorkshire about 50 km apart but Mum's side had been here in NZ for 4 generations.

Reply to
Greg Procter

- Trix never did any HO.

- Jouef made toys.

- Lima HO really weren't scale models.

You obviously don't buy or read Continental Modeller!

Peco produces HO track and labels it OO. :-) I'm not worried about UK British modellers, they've been a captive audience - I'm suggesting there's a world-wide market for British HO at proprietry model prices in the modeller and collector areas, not the "toy train" market, which Jouef and Lima were.

The extra sales, if the UK modellers bought HO instead of OO would allow a better quality product for the price, or lower prices.

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Greg Procter

(responding chorus) Ohh no they didn't! ;-) Your Western and a blue/grey Mk I buffet were 3.8mm:1ft which is closer to OO than HO. OO modellers rejected them and HO modellers didn't even consider them.

OO and HO modellers rejected them equally because they realy aren't models - they are toys that look a bit like models.

They can be made into scale models with some serious alterations - by the same token a Tri-ang original Jinty can be made into a scale model with a few alterations. =8^)

Someone must buy their output - besides me, that is.

It has to be one or the other.

It's hard work finding any British HO! I have a pile of rebuilt Lima and some scratch-built models. I can't run British OO on my layout with European models, it looks silly.

Go look at the British 1:87 site, they have an awful lot of HO British models! Of course British HO is a dead duck in model shops, no-one stocks it.

Reply to
Greg Procter

(Chorus) Oh yes they did! I had a Western and a blue/grey Mk 1 Buffet!

As they say, so?

Debateable, but they were still trying the market.

Nope, But then no one stocks it round here, which is a good market indicator!

Until relatively recently it was labelled as 00/HO, nevertheless it is still 00 as well as H0.

And I'm suggesting there isn't - those that choose to model UK outline overseas go 00 or finescale, there isn't demand for anything else. I can see finescale 00 catching on some more, but H0 is a dead duck for UK outline. If anyne were to suddenly launch an entire range it would be EM/P4 or similar.

I very much doubt it. 00 models are already at the stage where detail is so fine that customers are complaining about their fragility - to which Hornby have very sensibly responded by introducing the Railroad range. Obviously this will only become clearly defined from the mainstream range over time as products develop. If Hornby were to "try harder" for mass-market overseas distribution costs would exceed any price benefit - they've been there, got the tee shirt and the blistered fingers! Much better to do what they are doing instead.

Cheers Richard

Reply to
beamendsltd

Where they HO or some in between scale. I do remember the DMU Transpenine

Reply to
Trev

3.8 mm/ft.
Reply to
Christopher A. Lee

Seeing as this is obviously going nowhere I'll give up now.

The market for UK outline 00 is seeningly stable, if not growing. The market for UK outline H0 is barely above non existant. QED.

Cheers Richard

Reply to
beamendsltd

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