Graham Farish 'Jubilee'

The first examples of the Graham Farish N-gauge 'Jubilee' 4-6-0s have just arrived in stock; the following is now available:-
372-475 45699 'Galatea' in BR green (late crest)
and superb they look too.
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Hmmm! I was looking at them at Warley, along with the Dapol 9F, both good looking locos. Have you had a chance to try a Jub? And the next question: does it pull as well as the Peco Jub?
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"David Jackson" wrote

The 'Jube' runs smoothly enough, but no idea of its haulage capability.
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Thanks, John. The Dapol 9F is on my list so that I can dump the MiniTrix "9F", but there's only one person who can answer the next question: Can I justify buying one? Why didn't they do a Scot or a Pat so that the question wouldn't arise...
Decisions, decisions.
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David Jackson wrote:

Suggest you ebay the Minitrix one; the collectors might still pay silly money for them.
My only significant complaint about the Dapol 9F is that the huge drive shaft UJ is visible through the cab. I don't know what its slow speed running is like, I thought the Q1 was not as smooth as it should be at low speed.
The Dapol 9F is not as nice appearance as the 2mm kit version, and I doubt it matches the 2mm one for running (see website), though the Dapol is less than 1/3rd the price and you don't have to assemble it :-)
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Hey! I've nearly* finished the Super D - 3 years and counting! Compared with the MiniTrix the Dapol 9F is perfection...
[* fsvo nearly <g>]
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David Jackson wrote:

According to the 2mm Treasurer who has one, no its not as powerful as the old Peco Jubilee, though better in every other respect. He thought Bachmann-Farish's estimate of 8 coaches (with 2 traction tyres) would only be achieved "on the level with very free running coaches". He thinks a bit more weight in the tender (where the drive is located) could fix the traction issues, as the tender weights only 40% of the Peco tender weight.
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The diagrams for my "Express" locos include 9 coach trains, often with added ballast in the form of a couple of full brakes or a horse-box or two, depending on the working - and the layout has a couple of gradients...
I think I'll put the Jub on hold for the moment. However, the 9F is a must-have!
Thanks for the advice, Nigel.
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David Jackson wrote:

With four traction tyres, the quoted load is 12 coaches. That might be enough for you.
I understand that both options (two or four traction tyres) are included in the box, the owner can then swap between whichever is better; more traction or better pickup and appearance.
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I think I'll hold fire on the Jub for the time being, at least until I've seen one in action. Even the "Black Fives" can handle 10 coaches, and the 2-6-4T can manage 16, but don't ask it to hurry (its normal load is 4 or 5), both without traction tyres.
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David Jackson wrote:

Pictures I've seen of Jubilees show them pulling trains of as few as five coaches.
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That must have been in the 60s. They were used for expresses on the WCML and the Midland, and would load to 11 or 12, in the 50s. Have a look at photos by Eric Treacy, or Derek Cross, and see how steam locos were loaded before the boxes came on the scene.
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David Jackson wrote:

Mid 1950's, cross-country express route from New Street station. The five coaches were all ex-NER Gresleys.
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As I said, look at WCML (via TV, rather than the Birmingham cross-country stuff which was always more lightly loaded) and the Midland line for more typical examples. Remember that for 10 coaches or less, a Black 5 would usually be allocated: most Saturday trains along the N.Wales coast from Lancashire and Yorkshire would be 9 or 10 coaches, and hauled by Black 5s or the occasional B1. [OT: I can remember travelling down the coast and having 6 trains in view at the same time, all waiting to access the platforms at Rhyl - fast and slow lines, 2 trains in front, one alongside our train, and two more behind.]
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