I know this may have been discussed before, but it is now getting very
The Standard 5MT is available at £59.00 for 73030, £64.00 for 73068,
£67.00 for 73014, £74.00 for 73110 and £75.00 for 73069, but a
massive £92.00 for 73082.
Is this a shop for modellers or collectors?
Non of the above, 'mugs' may be....
My local model shop always hikes the price of a model whenever he gets down
to the last couple of units. i.e. say this week I can buy a "wilton" Spam
can for £60 from him. If by next week he is down to the last couple or a
little more, the price would probably be reverted back to something like the
RRP, say £89. That's quite a jump from one sale to the next! However, if
your a collector then you will in most cases find the money if you need that
You miss a very salient point with the Bachmann Standard Class 5s and that
is they did not sell particularly well (too expensive in my opinion) and
most retailers, self included, over-estimated demand on the early releases.
As a consequence there has been extensive *dumping* of the early examples.
As a further consequence when further examples were produced they were
manufactured in smaller quantities and this maybe explains why some have
sold out more quickly and as a result some are commanding higher prices.
Collectors or modellers? Irrelevent, it's all about supply and demand,
which I suspect is why Hattons priced their first delivery of the new
Bachmann 66135 some significant amount ABOVE recommended retail price at
That's an oxymoron John, in one sentence you say they didn't sell and
in the next you say that they sold - and what's more the limited
number produced sold quickly....
That's an oxymoron John, in one sentence you say they didn't sell and
No, You miss understand. The mass quantity (eg a batch of 4000) had a lot
left over, thus giving the appearance that it did not sell well.
Another batch may only be 2000 or even 1500 (these are guesses, I have no
idea how many they do make) in which case if only 300 are left in the UK not
sold, then it could be viewed to have sold well. If COLLECTORS then want
that one for its so called rarity, then as there are fewer to be obtained it
will be no doubt be sold at a higher price as the demand will be higher
still for the last 300.
If there had been 2000 (1/2) of the first batch left over, they will be a
lesser price to clear the shelves.
No, I said the early batches didn't sell, and consequently subsequent
batches were produced in smaller quantities and these sold out comparatively
This means that there were excessive numbers of the first batches and
probably just about enough of the later ones. I believe there was also a
reduction in RRP for some of the later 5MTs.
ISTM that Bachmann and Hornby are now marketing to the collector and
keeping prices high or at least higher than needs be - sell 100 units
@ 100 GBP or sell 1000 units @ 10 GBP, also a lower price unit might
well sell more.
Either way they need the model to sell to pay for the investment and
hopefully make a profit, but selling at a lower base line means that
the model has *got* to be one that people want so it sells by the case
load, it could be argued that whilst producing what the market wants
they are using the a 'collectors' marketing strategy - in short they
are fleecing the majority !..
If, because so many people want instant gratification and many don't
want to do much more than open boxes , they could charge double
what they already do would still make the above comment ?
 witness the complaint by some when parts are supplied for fitting
by the customer.
So if they sell model 'A' at 100 GBP and sell a 100 units and sell
model 'B' at 10 GBP and sell 2000 units which one has made the more
money / profit ?...
They are either fleecing the majority or the majority don't buy RTR
model railways stuff anymore...
It depends upon the cost of selling the additional units!
We could probably double our turnover by reducing our prices by an
additional 5% but as we're currently working at capacity it would involve
employing extra staff with all the joys that would bring.
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 14:58:19 +0100, :::Jerry:::: wrote:
It's simple business economics
They have to make a value judgement on the question; "Would I sell the
same amount of goods if I double the cost?"
Depends on the unit cost really, doesn't it.
If the unit cost of the item is £9.99, and the sell 2000 @ a penny profit
each, (£10) they make a profit of £20
If they sell 100 at a £100, the profit per unit is £90.01
(Hell, they only have to sell one to make a larger profit).
Or, of course, they could apply the pricing logic BL did with the mini,
and make a loss on each unit sold.
I don't know what the unit costs are, do you? That is one piece of info
you would have to know before making the judgement that they are fleecing
the end user. I really don't believe they could be, else someone else
would undercut and take the market from them.
Err, well considering that in reality there is only one other mass
producer of British outline RTR models means they are in the driving
seat, if we want RTR British outline models then we pay their asking
price - unless the dealers take the BL approach to pricing...
You also seem to be forgetting were most if not all these models are
made and the cost of labour there, even if we take the cost of
shipping into account. Sorry but looking at the prices of North
American Railroad models, even at a 1:1 exchange rate (rather than the
true, all but, 1 USD : 2 GBP rate), many equivalent models  are
cheaper - some even made by / for Backmann's US division. One reason
why my next layout might well be have a USA Railroad look about it !
 now it may be that our US railroading friends don't demand the
same scale accuracy or detailing, but nothing I've read suggests that,
although they do seem to take a somewhat different approach to their
model railroads ! :~)
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:47:18 +0100, :::Jerry:::: wrote:
One is enough for it not to e a monopoly.
Unless, that is, you are suggesting that they are collaborating in order
to drive the prices up. In which case, you shuld be taking it to the OFT.
<snip pointless waffle about septics>
I think there is a clear policy by one of the manufacturers to drive up
prices. The recent Hornby class 31 proving my point with this having an RRP
some 23% higher than the arguably better model of the class 66 just released
by Bachmann. OK, so the latter doesn't have quite so many gimmicks, but
equally so it doesn't have the errors of the Hornby model.
If there is collusion in this, it comes not from another manufacturer but
from the columns of British Railway Modelling's Tony Wright who boldly
concludes his review of the Hornby model with:-
"At the price, it's outstanding value for money and I have no hesitation in
giving it my strongest recommendation."
Obsequious or what? I'd love to know why he considers a model which is
flawed in a couple of key areas to be such value? On the other hand a quick
check of the proportion of BRM given over to advertising compared with its
editorial content seems to confirm where its priorities and loyalties lie.
This was one of the primary reasons I stopped buying BRM a few years
ago. I decided then that they seem to be more concerned with their
advertisers than their readers. Having said that, it was a layout
featured in BRM quite some time ago that inspired me to kick-start the
hobby again, and I have still kept a few old issues!
Err no it wasn't 'pointless waffle', it was a comparison between
Bachmann USA models built in (AIUI) China and Bachmann UK models made
in China and the price difference between to two ranges - but you seem
not to be able to understand that. :~(
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