Heljan 52 pictures on their website

Interesting! funny web site or is it my ageing computer to blame?

Do you think they would try the Warship next? Maybe follow the hydraulic locos for a while that would be good. But roll on the 33s!

It was way better before they went down the 'get the designers in' route, and certainly far easier to navigate. I offered to do them a new one in exchange for a Hymek but they never answered :)

Top marks for putting the shots of the Western online in such an unfinished state and before the pics are in the mags. A true understanding of the usefullness of the interweb thingy.

Pete

In message , Mike writes

I second that!

Roll on some steam, or a nice older third rail EMU. Haven't they done (Danish) steam?

Mark.

Appalling web site. Says best viewed at 1024x768 then proceeds to open a window full screen at 1600x1200 which cannot be resized. I refuse to look any further.

Andrew

Hmmm.... so it wasn't just me then! To look at some of the full size images I had to save them out to disc and then use a viewer. My computer isn't aging, relatively speaking, so that isn't the problem. I also got bored trying to work the site and gave up.

Heljan - kick out the arty-farty designers and do a sensible site, please!!!

Incidentally, in my "to-do" pile I have a couple of brand new Lima Western bodyshells, a Brassmasters conversion/detailing kit, a large can motor, various lengths of brass, Alan Gibson wheels and a few Exactoscale gearboxes. THEN the rumours, as they were then, of the Heljan Western started flying. I'd already abandoned the Lima Class 50 rebuild!

Paul

Weird site. And it still displays in Danish even when you click UK.

Now that would be a good thing! my vote goes to 2 HAP or SAP, followed by 4 SUB then 2 or 4 EPB. I feel the two car trains would do the best as most people can fit them on their layouts?

and on the spam front look out for fake bounces and test mails with virus attached!

An EPB would be good choice, IIRC both 2 car and 4 car units would be able to share tooling, and would be suitable (or at least excusable) for most locations.

Also, with detailed differences, some were built for the NE region for the Newcastle third rail electric system (later transferred to the SR on de electrification of those lines).

God knows what people put behind there 4-6-2's or even their 4-6-0's then !..

For further modelling possibilities, how different in body layout were the pantograph-fitted "Eastleigh" style EMUs built in the '50s for the Southend Victoria (1.5kV DC, later 25kV AC) and ex-LT&SR (25kV only) lines compared to the BR-pattern 2/4-Epb units? If fairly similar, the only major modifications needed would be the use of a pantograph (with depressed roof section) and different underframes/bogies (lack of shoegear being the obvious change).

David E. Belcher

I'm not sure, I don't have a door or seating plan. I suspect one coach would be completely different due to the need for a large space for the Transformer unit. On 3rd rail electrics all that stuff can be slung under the floor or at one end of a normally sized guards compartment.

Just dug out a couple of ABCs - it would appear that there are major differences. The Great Eastern and Tilbury sets were fairly similar to each other, but as suspected, there are big differences (even in the case of the GE units in as-built DC form) compared to the SR sets, the latter having motor bogies on the driving trailers, whereas the GE & LTS units had a single intermediate motor brake second. Also, 4-Epbs had saloon or semi-compartment seating layouts, depending on the coach, whereas the GE/LTS EMUs were all-compartment. GE/LTS sets also had toilets and 1st class provision; 4-Epbs didn't.

David E. Belcher

What about a properly motored 4REP with 8axle drive

With proper, remote controlled, buck-eye couplings...

And some 4TCs to go with it, and the Heljan 33...recreate Bournemouth in the

70s!

Lee

What is the groups opinion, before I go DC Kits!! Do you think anyone will launch a EMU RTR anytime soon. I see a lot of people seem interested?? Rob

Well, I certainly think it would make commercial sense. It has been done in a half-hearted way in the past. Hornby have obviously shifted enough 466s for it to be worthwhile, and they're hardly outrageously popular units. They also sold lots of Class 110s, which were a small class with a fairly restricted sphere of operation. It is a real pain that no-one seems willing to jump aboard with a VEP, CEP, CIG, HAP or EPB. I'm sure loads of London and South East modellers would jump at these. They're not glamorous trains, but I grew up with them, and I wish I could model them easily.

Hornby has a suggestions section on their site, for models you'd like to see. Plaster them!

Lee

"Lee Osborne"

Or earlier ones.

Nelsons, HALs, LAVs, SUBs etc.

-- Cheers Roger T.

Home of the Great Eastern Railway

Or earlier still. A nice Oerlikon set [looks shifty].

I personally prefer smaller units, but I suspect the market's generally aimed at the people who want to run their 3-coach [or 10-coach] Pullman express than the 23.38 suburban to Broken Bottle.

Mark.