The message from "John Turner" contains these words:
Hence the " ". Sometimes called an accountant's rebuild...
ISTR that the Ffestiniog have done something similar in recent years, starting with a handbrake handle, or a nut off a safety valve, or something else small and historic.
"David Jackson" wrote ISTR that the Ffestiniog have done something similar in recent years,
That's called restoration.. If non of the original parts are available to be included, it's a replica.
Fir instance. If someone were to build a new loco on the Leek and Manifold's Kitson design exactly the same it's a replica. If they were allowed to use the surviving head lamp and name plates - It's a restoration....! As you say - if you have a nut ...... :-)
Andy
Andrew Sollis (referring to Claughtons) > >Do they look good? John Sullivan > No
There were actually two (or to be wholly pedantic, three) versions.
The original small boiler version built by the LNWR was quite handsome in an elegant Edwardian manner.
After the grouping the LMS attempted to improve the design by reboilering a number of engines. The large boilered versions were quite succesful, but they *did* lose their looks, especially when fitted with smoke deflectors. The Caprotti versions were even worse. Nevertheless, these engines *were* quite striking in appearance.
The boiler was very successful but was found to be limited by the outdated machinery of the engine. The intention was to rebuild a number of Claughtons to use the same frames, motion and running gear as the Royal Scots. These "improved Claughtons" eventually turned out to be almost wholly new engines. The first two engines did actually retain the Claughton wheel centres, but the majority of the remainder only kept the Claughton number and/or name. Eventually the pretence was abandoned and the last ten "improved Claughtons" were wholly new builds.
Even the Claughton name disappeared. Crews called them "Baby Scots" for obvious reasons and they were eventually officially dubbed "Patriots".
-- Enzo
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
"Enzo Matrix" wrote
The small boilered Claughtons were *very* nice looking engines, and one would very much be on my *must have* list had they only survived until the BR era. :-(
John.
I am intending to (eventually!) build at least one of each of the small and large boilered versions.
DJH produce the large boiler version, but their small boiler engine is currently unavailable.
Falcon Brassworks also produce both versions, but I have heard these described as "difficult kits".
Has anyone built any of these kits? How "difficult" are they in comparison to other kits?
-- Enzo
I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.
They were still the holders of the record for highest power output up until the ealry 1920s, IIRC - set in trials in 1913 or so. Like most L&NW types they weren't the most efficient on fuel consumption, but the certainly seem to have been able to produce power (their two nearest competitors in those stakes probably being the GW Stars and the NER Z1s).
The last of them lasted until 1947 or so, I think. It may have actually come into BR ownership briefly.
Just to bring this back to the original subject briefly, if anyone wants to see the Promotional Video without having to download it, it is on the CD that comes with the current (December) issue of RM. See this time last year for comments regarding this CD - it hasn't changed! (No criticism at all of the one and only "amateur" layout featured.)
Paul
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