It is good to see such a healthy debate on this newsgroup. We must also vent our spleen in a polite way to the manufacturers. Yes,standards are improving but we also need more variety. For those off who like EMUs all we have is the Hornby class 466 and that's it. Even then you have to finish the job off with couplers and DCC. Let us hope the manufacturers lose that you can have it any colour you like provided it is black attitude. Steve