: > : >
: >> On 18/02/2009 08:30, email@example.com said,
: >>> Like most "complete kits" it didn't come with wheels, gears
: >>> or motors. OK, that's usual, if not ideal for some,
: >> On the lower end of the kit market what ought to be offered is
: >> like a "completion pack" to complete these 'complete' kits.
: >> least one advertiser in RM that apparently *only* sells kits
: >> with wheels etc, which simply means that many people will go
: >> Even if I modelled in OO I wouldn't use Romford wheels...
: > I live in New Zealand - by the time I order and receive a kit and
: > what bits are required to complete, order and receive those, the
: > of a year has gone by.
: Most kits I've looked at have a recommended combination of wheels,
: but as you imply you dont get that info until you have the kit.
Most half decent traders who specialize in kits will either know or
check what is required to complete the kit. I really can't see how
Greg's 'problem' is a problem, unless he chooses to use indifferent
traders (and I inclued those traders who chose to sell basic kits but
not the parts to complete them ) or is terminally stupid not to ask
the relevant questions when ordering the kit!
 talking about vanilla flavoured OO gauge here, fine scale
modellers know and accept that they may well have to order from two or
Used to be a
: problem but now happy with that as Andrew at Branchlines sorted me
: simplest combination of gears/motor. Also by ordering kit in 4 parts
: avoids the £100+ entry on the card statement - very useful for those
: not in control of finances.
Also known as "The other half looks at the bank statements" and would
have a fit if s/he knew that I was spending "How much on a model
"Jerry" wrote in news:gni2f9$jld$2
When I buy a kit I only buy if I get everything (paint transfers, solder,
glue etc excepted). I expect wheels, motor, gearbox, pick-ups - couplings I
can live without.
However when placing the order I tell the trader that, he'll discuss what
the options are and Bob's your uncle - I get a complete kit - it's just
that it may come in half a dozen packages.
Agree its a safe way of doing things but I prefer to use branchlines
supplied gearbox and gears if I think they will fit - used to check with
Andrew. Also buy the motor from there to make it a higher value order. Using
same components increases chances of getting it right one day :-)
Part three this month devotes the whole article to fitting Romford
It's evident from the pictures that the coupling rods have not been
completely removed from the fret. There is some mentioning of the
relative difficulty of quartering. It will be interesting to see what
is said about fitting the coupling rods, and how much slack has to be
One point I don't think has been mentioned is that if the rods are
part of the same fret as the chassis and aligned with the side frames
on the fret then there's less of an issue than if they are on a
seperate fret as is often the case.
One obvious howler is the statement that chassis for DCC *must* 
use two insulated wheels.
 my emphasis
: One point I don't think has been mentioned is that
: if the rods are part of the same fret as the chassis
: and aligned with the side frames on the fret then
: there's less of an issue than if they are on a
: seperate fret as is often the case.
That used to be the case, now with almost universal use of CAD
software the fret can be on a different drawing (never mind fret)
as long as the rods were overlaid with the C/L of the frames.
On 02/03/2009 09:14, Man at B&Q said,
That is the case here - I think the chassis is the Mainly Trains one,
and I have the exact same kit in my "to do" pile. It's perhaps
fortunate that Chris Leigh has chosen this as hopefully he won't have
too much of a problem with quartering...
...although if he's taken a whole article on how to fit self-quartering
wheels I have to wonder! This kit only has four coupled wheels - how on
earth can there be any difficulties?
"Two" insulated wheels? This is a 2-4-0, so I hope there are at least
three insulated wheels :-)
Not really. Lately I've been seeing the occasional message that was
posted through Google groups as blank - nothing but the header. In this
case, I read the "giant model railway" post from this poster fine, but
this message shows as blank - which it isn't, according to the responses.
I'm using Firefox under Ubuntu Linux which may or may not be a factor.
But it's always Google group postings, which lead me to believe the
problem is there.
I've Googled the problem and found some mention of a similar problem in
2006 or so, but nothing current.
Has anyone on this group experienced similar blank message bodies?
: ...although if he's taken a whole article on how to fit
: wheels I have to wonder! This kit only has four coupled
wheels - how on
: earth can there be any difficulties?
Modelling Folk Law...
: > I'm using Firefox under Ubuntu Linux which may or may not be
: > But it's always Google group postings, which lead me to
: > problem is there.
: If you're using Ubuntu then why don't you use your Pan
Well according to his headers he is. Can't quite work out why he
Was wondering abouot that for a while - oh dear what have I done in using
non-insulated wheels. Then applied common sense - the motor doesnt know
where the power is coming from so there cannot be a problem.
Was also suprised that the article seemed to only cover wheels but said very
little. Think that often the measure of this sort of article is what value
does it add that exceeds that contained in the instructions for the kit. On
that basis the first article was useful but this one is a bit sparse.
First one just now - but as a Firefox/Ubuntu user I've not seen this
before. Just had a look on the Risc-OS machine and it's the same, so it
looks like Google group issue of some sort.
(Don't bother Jerry, you're still kill-filed)
: > Well according to his headers he is. Can't quite work out why
: > mentioned Firefox!
: Forgot to engage brain before putting mouth in gear :-).
: Yes, I'm using Pan. But as I said I don't think that's the
: OTOH, nobody has yet responded saying they've seen the same
I'm with you on this, not that I have seen blank messages that
came from a Google groups account but I do regularly see messages
with garbled of missing (text threading) formatting - could PAN
be stripping out badly formatted text due to the afore mentioned
fault and thus displaying a blank message?
OK - I checked using Thunderbird, still under Linux. It displays the
aforementioned blank message just fine. But when I look at the message
source I see strange "=" signs in the quoted text. They do not exist in
the post being quoted, Google has added them. I don't know if that's
the source of the problem, but it seems likely.
Thanks for the assistance - I guess I'll just put up with it as telling
Google about it is a lost cause.
Those strange "=" signs are there because Google uses quoted-printable
when quoting posts that are originally sent using format=flowed to
allow for dynamic wrapping. So it's not a bug, as such, it's a
configuration mismatch between their system and yours. That would
almost certainly be the case on older systems such as RiscOS, which
probably can't cope with newer standards such as QP and breaks when it
encounters something it can't display.
I'm surprised it's happening using Thunderbird on Linix, though, as
that ought to be compatible with it. You may find that you've got
something set in the options somewhere that's not compatible with QP,
possibly the default character set for incoming mail and news -
looking at the headers of your post, you're using utf-8 while GG posts
all use ISO-8859-1. If you try using ISO-8859-1 yourself, the problem
may go away.
Nice to know a certain person can't blame my use of Google for
Does it also explain the problems of those few people who can't/don't/
won't quote properly when a post originates from Google Groups?