A Solution....Yes its about AMA

And now *you* are being an ass.

If somebody sees you *deliberately* turn on your radio in a successful attempt to crash somebody else's plane, the odds are very good that you will either get beaten up or end up in jail. And once you get out of jail, you may get hit with a civil suit for the airplane you've destroyed.

Since you do know better, I do hope you actually work out what frequencies are in use when you fly near the AMA field and take care not to interfere with anybody, whether they're nice to you or not.

| If your club really gets on my nerves I can sit with a scanner and close | your club. It's actually more 'fun factor' then flying. And there still | isn't a damm thing you can do about it.

I'm not quite sure what a scanner will do for you here. Let you listen to the police bands? Convert pictures to .jpg files? Determine what R/C channels are in use?

If you're talking about finding out which R/C channels are in use, then using a synthesized module to interfere with all of them, you're playing with fire. The club members aren't likely to be too stupid, and may very well start investigating. If they find you, you will definately regret it, one way or another.

If they're smart, they'll collect evidence and call the police. Once arrested, they'll sue you for the damage caused.

If they're not smart, they'll retaliate in some other manner. Violence is not unheard of when you just caused somebody thousands of dollars in damage ...

THIS is the attitude I was referring to.

No, the AMA doesn't. There are very specific AMA requirements for flying site selection and frequency sharing. It is the anarchists that advocate the problematic activity.

| No, the AMA doesn't. There are very specific AMA requirements for flying | site selection and frequency sharing. It is the anarchists that advocate | the problematic activity.

And none of these AMA requirements have any power over people who are not AMA members.

The AMA may sometimes act like the enforcement arm of the FCC, but in reality they have no authority with people who are not AMA members.

| "AAA" wrote -- ... | > Plus most clubs are on public land, that my tax money paid for. The | > clubs say that I have to pay to use some dirt lot?

That argument won't get you very far.

Fort Knox was paid for with your tax money. Good luck in getting them to let you hang out in the vault just because you paid some of it's cost.

Good luck getting the local park rangers to let you stay in the local park without paying the daily fee.

Like it or not, fair or not, most clubs have agreements with whomever owns the land (if they don't own it themselves) that give them at least partial control over the land. Don't like it? Talk to the city (or whomever it is that owns the land.) Generally it's the club that maintains the land, so helping pay for that isn't that unreasonable.

| Are you really that stupid?

It would seem that I am. Stupid enough to know that the AMA does not create law, and that even an AMA club member must try and cooperate with the world outside, or suffer the consequences.

| Cooperating works 2 ways. HE MUST ALSO COOPERATE! Setting up, knowing | there is a field full of RC-ers close enough to interfere with, is NOT | Cooperating.

Actually, setting up right next to an AMA field is a lot safer than setting up a mile away. A mile away, people probably won't know he's there, but they'll still get interference from him.

And as long as he takes care to make sure that his frequency is not in use and that the people at the club are aware that he is there, I'd say he is cooperating.

Merely setting up a sanctioned AMA club field does NOT give you exclusive rights to the 72 mhz band for three miles in all directions, no matter how many times you say `intentionally interfering' or `bodily harm'.

And conversely, just because somebody's being an ass, that doesn't give you the right to deliberately crash their plane, no matter what side of the AMA field fence you're on.

| It is intentionally interfering and could be construed as | intent to cause property damage and/or bodily harm.

Not if he takes care to make sure there are no frequency conflicts. If the AMA club members refuse to do it, then they're the ones who are being reckless (and violating the law) -- not him.

| Most parts of the world frown on that.

Fortunately, I'm only talking about the US. I don't know much about the laws in other countries.

Paul- What Doug has very patiently been trying to tell you is that your 'exclusive use permits' don't pertain in any way to use of the R/C frequencies allocated by FCC (NOT by AMA, which has no control over them whatever except for that limited control it can exert over its own members). I would propose that if AAA wants assurance that his butt is covered in the event of a liability incident that might occur due to interference by you or to you with his legal operation of a R/C transmitter, he might just send an unsigned letter to your club stating that he is flying at a site within 3 mi of your official AMA club site on frequencies a,g,h,l,k and p, and please refrain from using them to avoid mutual interference. As a courtesy, cc Carl Maroney. Now you've been warned of an interfering source, and AMA's insurance guru knows that. Your move.

Abel

Let's play 'dimwit'. First assume you're on public land.I assume you have a written lease with the city and a vendors licence to sell memberships. Both are required.

Second assume you're on your own or rented land. You think you can put every jet pilot in jail? Own the air all the way from your club to the sun?

In either case what law (law - not AMA) would get me in jail?

I guess you have not read Doug's replies in which he patiently explained it.

Mike

You are talking about a reasonable person. From his posts, I saw nothing about being reasonable, including setting up intentional interference.

At most of the club sites I flew at, any person setting up just outside the club site would have been well within the private/public property boundaries covered by the exclusive use permit. Also, at EVERY public site I flew at, AMA was a requirement for use even though club membership was not.

You played dimwit very well! ;^)

Clubs on private land have exclusive use permits for RC MODEL USE. Full scale aircraft operate in the controlled airspace. If they are flying closer than 400 feet above the model park, there are other serious problems about to happen! ;^)

Clubs with exclusive use permits on public land do not need vendors licenses as those are for profit making ventures. Any club that is NOT chartered as a non-profit organization are fools. I have been an officer in a couple of clubs that have exclusive use permits with the local Governments. One allowed anyone to use the site on a non-interference basis (as long as there were no club members using it and the county-provided gate was open) but AMA was still required and your card had to be displayed.

And of course, your not so subtle threats are your way to promote civility and sharing?

Ahem! Did it ever occurred to you that someone showing up with a park flyer might very well be a newbee who knows little about frequency control? Or even the possibility of interference? However, I have yet to see a club that lacks the knowledge required to share frequencies and since it would be in the clubs best interest to ensure the sharing is done, it would make sense for the club to ensure someone makes the first move! Otherwise one could argue that the club is displaying the same attitudes we find so prevalent here!

In contrast to what? Your attitude? Personally I find it somewhat refreshing. He's done nothing more than to demonstrate how little control you really do have! And if I recall, you're the one who started with a veiled threat to violence!

Maybe because he has yet to be approached by a reasonable person!

At most sites YOU flew at! That's what percentage of sites Paul? I've seen several that could easily fit this situation. And may are indeed on public land without any of your fabled "restricted use" BS.

Yea there is. I can start fiddling with my brand spanking new synthesized transmitter until I "accidently" find your frequency. One of the most impressive sights I have seen in the hobby is that of how foam explodes into a white cloud on impact.

MJC

OK, how is he going to guarantee that he ISN'T interfering with anyone at the flying field unless he is AT the flying field and using their frequency control board?

MJC

Even though you are full of uneducated nonsense, I'll still come in and answer your stupid comment with the obvious: The AMA has rules that govern frequency control at flying fields. So no, the AMA doesn't care if you are "courteous", but only that you follow rules. I'll count on a group of guys following a set of rules anytime before I'll count on people who are "courteous" when it comes time to fly safely.

MJC

I'll bet you have no idea whatsoever how ignorant you prove you are to all of us by your little word game. Do you really believe that anyone buys your load of crap? You never had a CLUE about that rule, and in true asshole style, attempt to assign your own ignorance onto someone else. It ain't workin', and in fact, there IS a huge overinflated ego at work here, and we all know who's it is. Here's a clue; it ISN'T Paul's.

MJC