Heli tregedy

I dont disagree with fred - he coulda kept it clean, but its an emotional subject... As for being survivable, id bet a buck he would not have lived if the ems was right there waiting for it. A chopper rotor to the jugular...well, may as well have been a chainsaw. An artery slice could only really be feild-remedied with direct pressure - closing off the cut artery to the brain isnt much of an option.

As to the EMS politics of whos domain it was is another real 'administrival' disaster. My fathers been a crew chief for 15 years now - you'd all be sickened by the B.S. that goes on behind the scenes.

Additionally, an arterial slice usually warrants an Automatic call to the Paramedics. Where EMTs are limited to boy scout first aid crap - both in their training and the equipment they can afford, Paramedics are for hardcore stuff. They should have (and really may have - i dunno) been responding. If he had a chance at all, it would have been on a paramedic chopper.

It all goes to show, No good deed goes unpunished. And if this poor guy died helping others, he can stand in front of his maker and say "I deserved this"

That's sheer nonsense and you know it.

Been taking baiting lessons from Kevin, I see.

Keep on strokin'. You'll get that Master's patch yet . .

Bye, now . . .

DAMN, damn, damn !

I _hate it_ when that happens !

Profuse apologies to all and sundry for using the wrong sig line.

For the record :

Cheers, Fred McClellan the dash plumber at mindspring dot com AMA L180201 IMAA LM 090 NASA 6512 LHA 3

10 years is a long time......Back then our club was nothing more than a few guys with permission to fly at an abandoned ultralight strip. I wonder if any of those fellas remember what happend at your field? I know I don't. That was during a time when I was away from the hobby...having three babies can do that. ;-)

Anyway, I think this is something that we should be reminded of every so often....by the AMA. It will help keep the issue from falling through the cracks.

Wiz

Why is it we have to start pointing fingers at who is to blame when something like this happens? And who IS to blame? Is it ama because they have to put the clubs through a by-law process? Is it the emt's not knowing where to go? The 911 operator for not knowing which unit to send? Maybe the emt that was at the field should have had more training,should we blame her? How about the pilot of the heli,was it his fault? Was it Rons fault for not being on a buddy box or paying more attention or for even being at the field that day? We can talk blame all we want and that's not going to change the fact that a traggic ACCIDENT took a mans life. We need to focus on making people aware of the dangers and take precautions to avoid them when ever possible, not try to figure out who to sue.Lets start by getting the word out to our fellow fliers to have someone in the club and this should be done by the safety officer resurch which unit is to respond to your location and furnish them with directions and a map to your field.Better yet don't take it for granted that the safety officer took care of this,call them yourself to find out and if it has not been done,take 30 minutes out of your busy day and do it yourself. A simple call to the local fire department will tell you if they have the info or not and it may just save your life. Lets try to make some good of this tragedy and then it just might make some sense as to why it even happened. Gods speed Ron.

Agreed.

For me, these are the lessons I've learned from this thread:

1. All of our equipment is dangerous.

1. Accidents do happen.

2. I need to be careful myself and teach others to be careful.

1. I and my club should discuss our emergency plans. They need to be personal as well as communal.

I've got my plan for where I fly and I've told the other guys on my club mailing list about it. Dunno if they'll agree, but at least we'll discuss it from time to time.

Condolences to all the families and pilots involved in this sad and tragic event.

Marty

Yikes! Sorry about the bad spelling.

Well, you can always stop the bleeding by clamping the artery somehow, but the jugular feeds tha brain doesn't it?

I nearly took out my femral artery with a router - I switched it off and was just putting it down when the cutter caught my jeans and ran up towards my crotch..and stopped just as it nicked the skin.

You get one wake up call in this life, if you are lucky, and if you are sensible, you take due notice.

Some people are amazing. In their rush to assign responsibility and blame they turn a TRAGEDY into a forum for their own narrow minded agendas with municipalities, clubs, individuals, parks, 911 operators,EMT and other emergency personnel. Take a moment and appreciate the deep sorrow that everyone associated with this ACCIDENT in any way must by going through at this time. There's plenty of time and other forums available for you great monitors of the sports well-being to effect the changes you worry night and day about. Have a little consideration. Sunny

sensible, you take due notice.

I have done none of those.

I take exception to that.

I am as shocked as anyine else.

My only interets was to see if any form of first aid beyind immediate surgery could have helped in this instance.

I have watched someone bleed to death in a road accident, I have pulled people out of upturned cars. I have seen more than one person klilled on a motor racing track.

The next time it happens, maybe as a result of something said here, I may be around, and in possession of enough knowledge to DO something.

Did his buddy sit there clamoping that artery with his hands? No. I don't suppose he did.

It might not have helped, put I like to think I would have TRIED.

Take a moment and appreciate the deep sorrow that

Direct your comments to others, not to me.