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WHO says TT isn't a top tier manufacturer? Certainly not anyone who has tried them.

Oh, and Hyundai started out building engines for Mitsubishi in the late 70s then decided to build for themselves..

In your analogy, I would call TT the Nissan, not the Hyundai. TT was building engines for a LONG time under the Magnum name. The Magnum name went to China in a deal with Hobby Shack (I believe).

Who care's? I never go to the only hobby shop left, Hobby Town. Besides the price plus shipping is cheaper than their prices. The other local hobby shop was National, and they closed in 2002. They had parts for TT as well as OS. OS parts are tooo expensive! You can buy all of the major brand parts on the web.

Who/what is a "zara"?

Neva hoid of'em.

Ed Cregger

Maybe it was just my particular TT .45 Pro, since I only sampled one, but mine was not as eager to hand start as my various OS engines in the same size range. I kept reaching for the electric starter. When it did hand start, it wanted to run backwards. Now, this is after I had owned many wild timing ST's and Webras, so I was familiar with the drill. It ran great once running, still does, but it just wasn't a pleasure to hand start as my OS engines were. I no longer hand start engines. Too old and slow. With an electric starter, just a bump is needed and it is running. I don't want to make people think that the TT is a hard starter, because it is not. But it is not quite in the OS league when it comes to handling. But certainly it is close enough to be a wonderful value and a great engine choice.

My OS engines have always been easy hand starters, even the versions from over thirty years ago. Now the latter comment is for the .40 to .60 size engines. The smaller ones ran the gamut. Some easily hand started within a flip or two and some others were like the TT .45 Pro and sometimes required six or seven flips. A niggling point? Most certainly. But that little, nearly unquantifiable, characteristic makes you feel a certain way about an engine.

My easiest, most enjoyable, hand starters have been, OS, obviously, ASP 1.08 Redhead, OS .20FP (exception to the smaller OS rule), an HP.49VT four-stroke, any Webra I have owned and my Saito .50 and .72. All were superb hand starters.

Oh, I forgot to mention my ringed OS.32F-H heli engine. The best of them all. Oddly enough, the ABN version of the .32 was like the TT.45Pro. Go figure.

My Enya .40 - 45CX engines were not good hand starters - for me. I'm sure others will have had different experiences. But they were terrific once running. It is probably my technique that is making the difference and nothing to do with the engines.

With all of that said, the only engine that I could not get started to keep running was an old STAMCO or RAMCO engine that my brother pulled from someone's trash can and gave to me. It was intended for spark ignition, which was absent, so I put a glow plug in it. It was rear piston port inducted.

That engine proceded to bash my fingers to pieces all summer as I tried to get it going (long before electric starters). It would fire, move against compression, fire prematurely and then bounce against compression the other way. Sometimes it would do this for five minutes without stopping. I never did get it to make a complete revolution without me pushing it through with my battered and bleeding fingers. Yes, I don't know when to quit.

Has anyone ever heard of such an engine? I'm almost certain that was the name. It looked about like a .19 to a .30 with a tremendous stroke to bore ratio.

Ed Cregger

I bow to your superior engine knowledge, Paul.

Okay, here's the deal. The early ASP engines had crankshafts that would bend at the mildest prop strikes. Other, more traditional engines, shook off these minor prop strikes without a problem, but the ASP cranks had to be pulled and hammered back straight.

What is the correct terminology to describe this phenomenon. I've seen it with my own eyes, so I know that it exists.

Ed Cregger

I agree with you, since I buy virtually everything hobby related from the web. But there are still lots of folks, probably the majority of R/C enthusiasts, that are still married to their local hobbshop. Why? I haven't a clue, since they never stock anything I want at a price that I am willing to pay. I don't even bother going to the hobbyshop most of the time.

I was in a hobbshop a few weeks ago. I asked the owner to order me a Hitec stock charger for one of their radios. He said he would. I stopped back in a while later and asked if the charger had arrived. I could tell by the look on his face that he hadn't ordered the charger. He pretended to shuffle through some screens on the computer as though he was really checking something. Didn't fool me. He never ordered it. That was it. He had his chance.

I'm not saying that I won't buy from him again, but it is easier for me to just order stuff via computer than to go out of my way to stop by a hobbshop and hope that they order what I told them I needed. I haven't lost a thing by not going back. He has lost several thousand dollars a year in sales, just from me.

I used to work "outside" sales. If you didn't sell, you didn't eat. You generated all of your own leads and you did your own follow ups, contacts, proposal write-ups, etc. I have no sympathy for someone that is given an order, placed right in their lap, and then doesn't act upon it. Then some of these poor souls come on the net and whine in the newsgroups about no one supporting them. The poor folks actually think that I am in their store to satisfy their needs. And we wonder why America is crumbling...

Ed Cregger

Problem was, as I saw it, if you get cars into the conversation then I am going to have to tell you how good my new one is. It's from a company I have never had a car from before, I am totally impressed with it and now I have got one I have begun to notice how many others have also got them. I don't tend to bother with cars, if it works I keep it >:-)

What is this wonderous machine which surpasses any car that I have had over the years....... a Renault.

Now see what you have started >:-)

Now if OS could build an engine as good as this car...... >:-)

Reg

A RENAULT!? I don't know if I should laugh or throw up! Communist, and socialist countries are not really capable of quality work.

Had an R-10 as a demo in the '60s. FWD, four-wheel disks, taut suspension, went like stink. And the Gordini (sedan racer version) was just brilliant. Alas, a little before its time in the States.

Renault has a bad rap in North America. American Motors only imported their cheapest, poorest quality products (Le Car, Alliance) until the very end.

Renault, Peugot, and Citroen are all making very cool sport sedans and competing successfully on the world rally circuit. With the extra expensive of U.S. crash testing certification and emission requirements, it's simply not worth it for these companies to try to break into an already crowded North American auto market. We're also missing out on some interesting models from Fiat and Alfa Romeo for the same reason.

All Renault's are junk, yeah a race team can make them perform, and a new one will for a while. But soon they break down and require repair daily. Peugot's are better but not by much. Citroen's were very good for a while, but soon, also became crap. Fiat's are the same. Alfa Romeo, I don't know.

Actually "zara" is probably a fisherman who has taken the name of one of several very successful surface lures, the Zara Spook. If he's a fisherman, he can't be all bad ..... unless he's a tournament type, and I doubt that he is.

Yeah, I know you really weren't interested in What "zara" was.

Harlan

Maybe you had a bad one, Ed.

My TT.40 Pros and TT.46 Pro are the easiest-starting engines I own (Except for maybe my O.S. 1.60FX). That's what encouraged me to buy more of them; the first one started so easily it surprised me. I had always hand-started my engines -- I never bought an electric starter until immediately after I purchased a Magnum .52 four-stroke. ;-)

My TTs all ran well out of the box. After a short, by-the-book break-in on the test stand, they performed very well. After a couple of days of heavy flying, they started to gradually pick up some RPMs and also required some leaning of the low-speed needle. They continued gaining some top-end RPM and requiring some slight leaning of the low end every couple of weekends until they finally settled into a very smooth, very reliable engine with a great transition. I love 'em.

I bought them at a great price from National Hobby (?) and then somehow got hooked on Super Tigre two-strokes for the next couple of years. When I decided to buy another TT or two, I found that my source had gone out of business and I never bothered to buy from another supplier. I'm planning to purchase a TT .91 four-stroke very soon. I have Saito, O.S. and Magnum four-stroke engines and would like to try a TT out of curiosity.

Good flying, desmobob

Dunno 'bout the fisherman part; altho' he do troll....

One thing's sure, neither he nor this A"KK"imomo twit would make a pimple on a modeler's rump...

But troll.... Yeah, he can do that..

Just ignore him/her/it... They'll go away, as all trolls do when they get no fodder for their antics..

Bill AMA 4305 LM AVP/D-VIII

I mentioned earlier in this thread that

has the TT F-91s Four Stroke for $172 plus shipping. The new issue of Model Aviation (Jan '06) has a blurb about the upcoming F-75s Four Stroke. No price or shipping date has been set on the F-75s yet, but a spring launch seem imminent. I'd be surprised if doesn't offer it for somewhere between $146 and $172.

And that's just where I'll get it, Ed. No charge for shipping on orders over $150. That price, with free shipping, beats Tower's price with the usual 10 or so percent off and free shipping (I'm a Tower Super Saver member!). Thanks for the link.

Good flying, desmobob

Ok, maybe I should have been more specific. All CURRENT major engines use hardened cranks. I am well aware of the early ASP cranks! I had one on my Quickie Sport as they were the fastest engine allowed by the rules at the time.

I used to "walk the dog" with the Spook! It was great for stripers in the American River!