Oh, like Webras, or all the other fine European engines? How about Lasers?
Winners of virtually all of the scale contests over there.
Renaults, Peugeots and Citroens outnumber all the British built cars in the
UK. They are extremely well built, powerful and fuel efficient.
They didn't import them, they were built in Kenosha, WI. I had an Alliance
that I loved! You could get absolutely silly on twisty roads and it would
just cruise along. It didn't hurt that it got almost 50mpg as well!
Don't let me give anyone the wrong impression, I am an ardent Thunder Tiger
two-stroke fan. I have never owned/operated a TT four-stroke, so I can't
comment on them.
I am on my third TT 1.20 (used) and I just bought two of their .15's, so no
one should get the impression that I am dissing TT in any way. I was just
flapping the jaws about those intangible/unquantifiable things that we all
notice about our engines.
Ed Paasche was talking about TT ARFs. I apologize for dragging the thread
off topic. Lord knows I never do that, you know.
Getting back on topic, I would love to have another TT Super Decathlon ARF.
Nice flyer and not snappy in the least. Just pretend that the wing is on the
bottom and fly accordingly.
The Thunder Tiger Super Combo packages (ARF, engine, and radio) have
included Airtronics radios in the past, I believe. It looks like they may
be bundling them with Hitec Laser 4 radio packages now.
doesn't have the ACE servos, they also don't
stock any of ACE's kits or ARFs like the Simple 400 either. They don't even
have all of the Thunder Tiger ARFs, for that matter.
They aren't currently offering the Tiger Bipe, the Tiger Stick, the Lazy
Tiger P-51, the Seamaster, or the Super Decathalon. They're also $40 more
expensive than Tower Hobbies on the Tiger Trainer .60, which seems pretty
odd to me.
Hopefully they will add more products as the site grows. The Tiger Bipe is
on my shopping list and I'm doubtful I'll get my best price by having to
special order one through my local HobbyTown USA.
Oh boy are you in for a shock if you ever get to drive one of these.
Looking around here (UK) the place is swamped with them....Why could
that be ? Because they are so damned good. Direct injection, common
rail, turbo, intercooled diesel.. runs as sweet as you could ever ask.
Pulls like crazy and returns 60 mpg. Gearbox is a beaut, smooth and
slick. Steering and suspension are an eye opener. Having owned/driven
many types of cars over the years, including some American ones, I can
happily say that this is the best car I have ever hustled along fast or
twisty roads and it is really comfortable as well >:-)
If you don't like diesel (poor you) then there is a choice of 16 valve
I didn't anticipate the thing being this good until I test drove it and
then started noticing just how many there are all around me. Others had
discovered how good they are while I was still waiting for my old car to
chug it's last chug.
Much, much better than an OS of any type >:-)
Oh! Yeah they run good new! But soon become a POS! They don't import
them because they cannot meet either our crash tests or environmental
tests. Cars that handle well on lots of tight curves are not that
popular here, because we have fewer twisty roads. In fact in the
midwest most roads are laid out straight in a grid. Even our sports
cars have to be fast on a straignt line, as well as the curve.
Strange... they have been around for a long time and seem to shrug off
the UK's somewhat damp conditions. Plenty of older models just going on
running, and running.
You sure about this ???
My road tax is cheaper with this car because of it's very low emmisions.
(road tax is an annual fee imposed by the government on most every car
on the roads here. Small engine sizes and/or low emmision levels get
less tax to pay)
Renault have gone all out for safety and are rated the highest level in
European tests. Apart from conventional airbags they also have torso
protection bags that emerge from the seat sides and also curtain airbags
that descend from the roof to protect the head. Passenger compartment
structual safety is rated as exemplary.
Fast American cars that can corner.... and you call them sports cars!!
Our daily runabouts, used for shopping and picking the kids up from school
would probably be too wild for you to handle then, don't forget we can
manually change gear while on the move as well, don't need to rely on
an auto box to do it for us. Now there's something for you to aspire to,
twisty roads, fast cars with superb roadholding capabilities and being
able to have much better control over the car by means of it's manual
gearchange.... you are never going to manage it... never >:-)
Never used a manual box ? Don't realise what a POS they are until you
are stuck with one. Auto boxes are easy... I will grant that much.
Still enough of this O.T sidetracking... Thunder Tigre, was that the
original topic?. are damned fine engines
The US has has the highest environmental standards in the world. I
understand most european countries have caught up in some areas, but I
am not sure if this includes France and GB.
You can put bags on any car. But in the US they have to meet minimum
standards of speed and crash types without structural damage which
would injure passangers. I understand that Germany has the highest
standards (probabably because of the autoban) followed by the US.
Some of the best sports cars come from the US. Well two that I can
think of, one well known, the Corvette, and another better one is not
as well known, in fact the name doesn't come to me now.
I have used manual gearbox's. While most of our cars don't handle
sharp turns well many do well in a straight line or wider turns.
BTW, I used to be able to do boot leg turns. Probably still do, but
been som long I wouldn't dard do this on paved roads, and dirt roads
are just not that common anymore. Plus I am not as wild as I was when
Last year the Corvette won best sports car in Road and Track. But that
was an evaluation which included price in its score. Still the
Corvette had the best track time. Although others did better in the
slalom, and some even did better in straight acceleration, the Corvette
came out on top. The Saleen and some very expensive european cars were
not even tested as the cost for this award was much too high. Also the
Renaults, Peugots, etc were not tested, I presume because they were not
Hehe, the original topic was actually Thunder Tiger ARFs rather than the
engines specifically. Thanks to GP/Tower, you can actually find Thunder
Tiger engines around.
Their fixed wing aircraft are another story. Thunder Tiger makes some
Cloud Dancer 40/Cloud Dancer 60
Tiger Stick .40
Rare Bear (tough to build right but sweet once its done)
Tiger Trainer .40 MkII
Tiger Trainer .60
Dragonfly .15 Trainer
Pegasus .40 Trainer
Seamaster Float Plane
Super Decathalon .40
Lazy Tiger P-51
Giles 202 .40
Staudacher S300 .60
Imagine 50 Pattern ship
Giles 202 1.40 sized
Some of these models are unique niche products and still nobody stocks them.
You can buy the Dragonfly Trainer with a .15GP engine both for $114.95 from
How much fun would it be to keep that in the car
for a quick flight? Great Planes discontinued their Giles 202 .40 kit, why
on Earth wouldn't hobby stores stock the Thunder Tiger ARF?
Thunder Tiger makes a lot more than just great engines. I'm just trying to
keep tabs on where to actually pick up a few of their products. I have a
seperate thread up the list a little way describing how great their new EP
Profile series of electrics are, so I won't even go into detail about them
here. They have a nice variety of EP and powerless gliders to choose from,
too. Thank goodness my LHS will actually special order TT ARFs from ACE
Hobby if you walk in and wave the money in front of them.
I like their products and buy them, but only if at a steep discount.
Why? Because I have delt with them twice and have had slow service.
The first time was when the rocker assembly bolt stripped and broke out
of the .91 four stroke. Took forevner to get a new head. I remember
being put on hold, but they actually put the phone down, I heard them
talking BS in the back ground for about a half hour before I hung up
and called back and got a busy signal. It must have been a couple
hours later when they said they couldn't replace the part without
sending in the engine and they couldn't sell the part. I called the
manager and told him the whole story, including the BS conversation.
They sent me the part after that. The second time was when the
bearings went out on on of their engines during the warrenty period, it
took four months, but they did eventually replace the engine.
If I were a dealer I probably wouldn't want to deal with them, and if
I did I bet it takes months from the time the order is placed to when
they actually arrive.
Was this Ace Hobby that gave you the run around in particular? My local
hobby stores have mentioned that Ace can sometimes be a pain to deal with.
I know that one complained that any new products have to be entered into
their computer system manually, where as they receive automatic electronic
updates from Great Planes and Horizon Hobby.
I'm not trying to turn this into an "Ace Hobby sucks" discussion thread, but
it might explain why Thunder Tiger products are getting scarce here in the
U.S. despite their high quality. Some folks have mentioned that Ace was
recently bought or sold, which I have no idea is true or not. It would be
nice to see them do more than just waste ad money for magazine spots
promoting products that nobody will stock.
Somebody out at Ace Hobby in California is going to have to roll up their
sleeves and start working on improving their relationships with their
dealers. If not, Thunder Tiger could one day be relegated to the list of
companies that used to be.
Well it was Ace Hobby and it was after TT bought them out. In fact one
of those two times, I think the engine repair they blamed it on moving
from California. But that doesn't explain their goofing off while I
was on "hold"! I have also had problems getting the right part number
for parts also. But I think they may have improved, the last time they
gave me the correct part number in a proffesional manner, the time
before it was the wrong part number after a long hold.
All around the houses and back again >:-)
I have seen the adverts and a review, somewhere, of one or two TT
I was so taken with the Thunder Tiger engine used in one review that I
went and bought one.
The review was on a TT Scooter 007 retro style model and the engine
used was the TT GP 07. Both engine and plane got good write ups.
The guy who wrote the article reckoned that the TT GP 07 engine was the
sweetest running and easiest starting engine that he had ever used and
he reckoned he had owned plenty of engines over the years.
This little engine is a veritable jewel... equisitely made and looks
just sooooooooo desirable with it's purple anodising on prop nut and
cylinder head. Soon as I saw it out of it's box I had to have it >:-)
The beautiful little 07 is currently mounted on a Ben Buckle vintage
model Challenger and is patiently waiting for some warm, lazy summer
days next year >:-)
Those little GP.07's run like the old Singer Sewing Machines - great in a
little park flyer microlight or in place of EP motors in some GWS models or
the Ace Simple Series aircraft.
( Note - After Thunder Tiger took over the ownership/production of the
kits, the quality of the accessories, canopies and decals etc in Ace Simple
Series kits were greatly improved .)
Only draw back is the initial break in can be frustrating for some beginners
not accustomed to starting small engines - after initial tank, the little
gem starts and runs first flick.
Do not use large electric starter motors, clumsy & slow revving and could
DIY a good cheap unit from an old 540 car/boat/airplane electric motor
inserted into a tube or tied to a stick with a 7.2V RC car battery pack as
shown under MAN article =
cheaper and easier =
email me for plans for two other similar starters with better
instructions and pictures
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