The additional 2K of performance is precisely why the GMS is
louder than the OS. You can't make more power without
generating more pressure. More pressure being generated,
with all else being equal, means more noise.
I agree with MK, but it is becoming more and more difficult
to quantify exactly why as time progresses.
I guess it is because Webra can generate fantastic power,
while still retaining its easy going nature when it comes to
throttling and staying running once started.
Well, we've been shopping for a car for the wife. I've been trying to come
up with an analogy to explain why Thunder Tiger isn't considered a top tier
engine maker, and I think I understand what you're saying.
O.S. and Webra are like Toyota and Honda while Thunder Tiger is like
Hyundai. Toyota and Honda were much earlier to market with good cars that
improved with regard to quality, safety, and reliability over the years.
Hyundai came along much later and developed (first bad and then) good
products that have also improved significantly while trailing slightly
behind Toyota and Honda in terms of ergonomics and innovation. Now in 2006,
the new Sonata looks and feels exactly like the 2006 Accord. It is
reliable, stylish, and equal in reliability. It is less expensive than the
Accord as well.
The difference? Honda did the work while Hyundai chased them while playing
catchup. Folks would rather buy the Honda for setting the benchmark rather
than chasing it. Like an O.S. engine versus a Thunder Tiger, the Honda will
enjoy better resale value versus a Hyundai because of a history of quality
If you hate imported cars or you haven't seen the 2006 Sonata, my analogy
may seem absurd. I think I'm on the right track with this, however. Is it
fair to say that O.S. is the innovator while Thunder Tiger is a top shelf
imitator, and that's why some of you guys feel they're not equal?
A very good analogy, Ed.
Your choice of the word "feel" is appropriate also and it reveals a lot
about why we are grasping at straws in trying to provide an example that is
agreeable to all.
I think it's a bit extreme to try and compare something with the
complexity of a car to something as simple as a model engine !
Seriously.... look at the component count and styling of a car
compared to a glow engine. So lets get real !
I seem to remember reading that the chief designer for O.S. engines had
a spat with the company and took himself off to Thunder Tigre where he
applied the same superb skills that he had shown in his previous
That would imply that ,design wise, there was not a lot to choose
between the two... unless he surpassed himself at TT. Machining wise
I sure can't see any real difference between the two engines.
Is it not that some people feel more reassured by a brand that is
`perceived' to be better in some way ? I guess it's the herd mentality.
Absolutely - you hit the nail on the head. CNC equipment is a cheap deal
today, anyone can afford it, especially a larger company - add a programmer
to the list, and anyone can turn out a competitive, high quality product.
If you copy a major competitors design, you drop the R&D costs.
I asked some folks I'm acquainted with at a couple of the local hobby
stores, and both locations confirmed that ACE is a pain to deal with.
Hopefully some dealer service initiatives can spur better distribution of
No argument here, tux_powered. I knew it wasn't the best analogy, but most
all of us drive cars and I spent all day yesterday shopping for them. Ed
Cregger thought that it was a pretty good explanation, so I'm satisfied. I
think I know now what he was trying to express.
got it to me a day earlier than expected! Now I can go fly my Giles 202 EP
Anyway, this thread got a bit sidetracked while we discussed engines in
particular. My initial point was that Thunder Tiger ARFs (glow and
electric) kick ass too, and I mentioned where to find them.
I don't think OS two stroke engines are as good as the present TT
engines. Though the TT engins have gone to nickle, they don't have
peeling problems. The newer TT engines have had less problems, not
including the carb problems in the heli engines. The newer TT engines
are new designs, from the same designer who used to work at OS, not a
Hehe, by coincidence I did. It's about 20 threads up above this one by my
See "Thunder Tiger Giles 202 EP Profile" for your reading pleasure.
For some reason, a report about a cool new electric foamy doesn't generate
any apparent interest or comments, but if zara tells somebody to lick donkey
balls the thread will get 85 replies. Go figure?