Re SE, I finally got a list of their pipe library items...they seem
new at this...*no valves* or sweat to
thread adapters etc are included. so its about 50% usable if you draw
your own valves etc, or import them,
thats do-able but a **real chore according to some ... and the
I will work with them on this feature if
its do-able I will import autodesks killer libraries...but you have to
do it one item at a time..and program each item
separately to fit the routing software..
You cant use their pipe xpress route to get a workable job with that
library... their huge 'standard parts library' had
no *valves that I could see either, but did have for instance weld-o-
lets for 5 foot diameter pipe... thats
a 30,000 dollar item, selling maybe one a year world wide or less.
Drawing and assemblies in SE is at least 70% simpler than with
Inventor. Printing to a sheet is also a lot
easier, and the line width selections etc etc are vastly better than
IV...the 2D drawings can be made to look
very much superior... a characteristic I appreciate. piping has
issues however along
with local mgmt. shock is the term I believe.. or maybe stunned awe..
maybe the motha company
will address this, maybe not... I hope they do. I will have a
better idea friday and Monday.
Their paid help desk (when you have maintenance is superb...world
class with no exceptions... that was a
the inventor librarys are on disc.....
I dont know what parasolid means, but if it means the valve is an
outside view only.. I think
thats what you get with inventor re valves,... those can be very
complex memory hogs, 50 of
those or so in a drawing even as just shells ... adds up.
SE says they allow and provide for the use of other peoples solid
models in their library and give
instructions on how to do it.. my views on further association are in
flux however.. it is some of
the best software, maybe top 10% or so, with maybe a bottom 1% market
to avoid collateral damage from what is causing that condition,
Seimens may have to address
Parasolid is the kernel (engine) that Solid Edge is built around. It
is a software component that can be licensed and is owned by Siemens.
A Parasolid file contains no parametric history. It is a "dumb"
San Diego, CA
I believe that autodesk uses ACIS....basically the same thing as a
parasolid....but a different company. I also recall that autodesk
might be developing its own kernel. SE should be able to import an
ACIS (it has a .sat extension) just fine.
I wont say much here, but as things are shaping up, its going to be a
while before piping works in ___...
I will try using
SE with TurboCAD...TC is no slouch on solids, but I dont know its
limitations yet.. it does fine coordinate
pipe routing though as fast as you can drag yer mouse, and you can buy
pipe libaries for it under 100 dollars..
I may do whatever I cant
do in TurboCAD, in SE...and put SE on holding pattern mode after next
june when my maintennace expires,
then move myself back to InventorPRO's latest version ..or stay with
TC and use one of the industrial plant piping
programs I'm studying..
Im still investigating, both the technical aspects of 4 different
programs, their help and tutorial
options..and in some cases management and VAR issues... when I find
one or combo that fits all
the requirements I will hone in on it.
I need a program or set of programs
I can set my clients up with..so they have exactly what I have.. I
can set them up with macro's
and a library of equipment they build for me from the same base.
Each software has its strong points and weak points..SE's strong
points are quite nice indeed....its help
desk is world class, a wide range of its techncial capabilities are
for piping and some other aspcts,im going to be concentrating on
though, one of the plant piping programs
i have on trial, and TurboCADmechanical PRO ..may end up being the
choice... that and various
management issues might see me off in those directions.
Jon is NOT going to be happy about this. You're the only person on
speaking terms with him that actually uses SE. How in the world is he
going to get his precious "specifics" if you stop using the software
and return it?
THAT is because YOU have not recognized JB's status as a true god...
you are as bad as
clifford who wouldnt know a god if one jumped up and bit him in the
ass... and for sure JB and I
are on he same page with the crappy manual situation, and bugged
tutorials that take months.
the tutoriall I got at JB's recommendation from ozz..are fast, clean
and to the point, makes remembering
the drill easy...and you get to learn Limey speak. thats nice. sort
of like that lizzard who speaks so well for
The issue with SE might resolve shortly...I wish them well.
it appears to be just one of
their guys not up to speed on pipe or that you can't mix the various
national standards etc.
... all fixable in that case... most likely with mouse clicks if they
bought the library from a
third party vendor.
That would be nice. Meantime though I have to get it going with
. Im still in evaluation mode, technical and to see how they will
my clients. . it its longer than a few months, yes I will be
cooking in another direction by then.
Ive not gotten a trial copy of SW yet, I will see if can get a 1 year
trial offer..if I can get that with the pipe and
wire routing I might.. .depends on how the others Im looking at pan
I am temped though by an industrial specialty program though... I
could do a lot with that.
Being a cad idiot myself, and new with solids and trying to sort all
this in the dark has been messy, I'm sure
that Im a part of the problem...but sure as hell not the entire
Hi Jon, I like solid edge ST across a broad range, its not of course
a clone for every other CAD software
out there, and this v1.0 version of the software has bugs as you would
expect, and some management issues that
seem like they might sort out... at the lower levels the wagons got
circled and pore ol philsie here was schmeared a bit. :)
But that does not seem to be the tactic if you take it upstairsgetting
past the firewalls, between Siemens and their new cad folks took some
time..but its do-able, they seem so far quite pro-active at Seimens
US. its only been 4 days so far and there
are signs of action. I will know by Friday or monday for sure most
I downloaded the video, what a waste of motion. How many extremely
small passes does this thing generate? If there is 1" on 2 sides of the
part this software makes 100% periphery passes until the thick stock is
gone? wtf is that about? Decent software will let the heavy stock areas
get machined efficiently then even finish passes are made around the
peripery. This junk makes a dozen very thin stock passes on all outer
sides even when there is little stock present. If they imoprove that
repeated non removal their cytime would greatly improve, fwiw, the hsm
is where they are saving time, not in cutting method. That moating
approach seems like it would suck in steel, they fake you out by
machining soft material that way.
The HSM is the only thing that package has going for it but most
software is HSM efficient now anyway.
Why don't you ever see through this kind of software?
3D Laser Scanning, Digital Object Reproduction
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