Cleaning up the shop

Since you are a belever in personal responsibility, the first step I would recommend is taking personal responsibility for your situation. The choices affect outcomes, for everyone, you included.

Secondly, a part of the reason why insurance rates are so high, is that people without insurance, like you, are clogging emergency rooms in hospitals, who are required to treat them.

Had an insurance reform been passed, that would provide people like you with access to affordable preventive health care, your own treatment might have cost the society less.

Not being able to afford health insurance at older age, is my personal nightmare and it is something that bothers me every day. I do not care if I would be slightly less wealthy, due to extra costs, and would be very happy to know that there is no possibility of being left withnout health coverage.

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Ignoramus6241
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========= ==>If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. We will just have to keep doing it again until we get it right....

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F. George McDuffee

That last part is certainly true in a lot of cases, but gummer's isn't one of them. He chose a dead end area and a lifestyle guaranteed to make his life shorter, more miserable, and more costly to society. He chose to work part time for less than minimum wage, and to spend whatever money he could hide from his creditors on hoarding junk and firearms. He chooses to waste his life on Usenet year after year, even to the point of spending more time complaining about a single vehicle repair and the cost of it and how he could do it if he wanted to, than it would have taken to knuckle down like the rest of us and do the job himself. He chooses to pretend that it's better to promote "the great cull" and to BS and scapegoat, than to get off his ass. In short, he chooses his toys, vices, and fantasies, over honor and reality.

Ha! Tom Gardner has volunteered to hire him, and assures us that he can make big money by doing it. Having claimed that on a public forum, I'd expect Tom to really go the extra mile to make it worth gummer's while and to ensure his success. The trip should be a piece of cake for master survivalist gummer. All he really needs to do is stick his thumb out and he can be sleeping in Tom's guest room in a couple of days. Once he's got that great job which allegedly includes health insurance, he can spend his evenings regaling us with tales of how wonderful it is to contribute to a successful enterprise, fish on the weekends, bench press V8s, slay bigfoot with a vernier, etc. Unfortunately, none of that can happen because Obama and Pelosi are taking turns pinning gummer to his computer chair!

So he'll instead spend his last breath cursing Hillary or whatever. Between now and then he'll alternate between the contradictory strategies of boasting about unlimited talent and resourcefulness, and claiming to be a victim deserving of pity... sometimes on the same day, and occasionally in the same post!

Wayne

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larryrozer

But...but..but..Im a Democrat! That means its someone else's fault. In fact..its the fault of the Rich! And the Corporations! So THEY have to pay for it.

Yes indeed. $2,5 Billion last year alone was spent on health care for Illegal Aliens. Illegal Aliens that the Democrats refuse to stop allowing into the country. And in fact..encourage them to come to Del Norte.

Yes and?

Indeed. Tell that to the President and get him to FIX healthcare, not destroy it.

Now about my personal problem...whatcha gonna do about it? After all..I am a Democrat.

Gunner

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Gunner Asch

In two years they will have to resort to using old pop top beer cans and epoxy for urns. :)

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Michael A. Terrell

Ignoramus6241 wrote in news:eoydncHcgMvzs8fWnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com:

Not so, booby: the Health Insurance rates are high because of the Malpractice Insurance companies who require long lists of very expensive tests be run so that the MI company lawyers can easily defend the doctors/technicians/EMTs/hospitals from other lawyers (Binder & Binder and Sokolove come to mind) who expect to make millions over some jerk's hangnail that got infected a month after going to an emergency room.

BTW, since the MI beancounters insist on the tests the HI beancounters "negotiate" with the doctors/hospitals/clinics/etc. for reduced rates. (After all, they're actually going to PAY.)

FWIW, Medicare/Medicaid does the same thing...

If gummint demands free health care through Emergency Rooms then it's up to gummint to pay for it.

The FIRST (and most obvious) step - also the most effective - should be to simply shoot all of the lawyers...

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Eregon

Pure bullshit.

Been there researched it all before and found out malpractice premiums on average have actually dropped in the past decade--besides, they never amounted any more than a very small fraction of medical costs in the first place.

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Brother Lightfoot

"Brother Lightfoot" wrote in news:_MGdnfPsDf3w48fWnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@scnresearch.com:

Dunno what planet you're from but here on Earth's North American Continent the exorbitant malpractice rates have forced a great many Medical Specialists to give up their practices.

You're the Bullshit Specialist and, therefore, accustomed to wallowing in the stuff...

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RAM³

Last year while doing my civic duty i told a lawyer during voir dire i dont award any money for pain and suffering, i got sent back to the jury pool, when i got to the bull pen the gal in charge told me i could go home that they didnt need any more potential jurors.

Best Regards Tom.

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azotic

That's all well and good, but you may die in channels. That's the down side. You need a bypass or cancer treatment tomorrow, and it will take two years to get approval. Same as no coverage in my mind.

Steve

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Steve B

Name 3 of these supposed "Medical Specialists" and provide positive evidence showing how malpractice rates were anything other than a minor factor monetarily.

Nope, I've independantly researched the subject already is all.

That said--in the rare case where a doctor has been sued and found guilty several times for incompetance then instead of his complaining about insurance rates I would rather that he take up a more suitable line of work.

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Brother Lightfoot

In short, the banks need to be treated like they are public utilities. The result of leaving them to their own devices always ends up the same way, with them taking crazy risks in their zeal to make gigantic profits , which ends with an economic bust. The country can't afford to continue to let a small group of people gamble with the nation's money supply. Too many people are at risk to let gamblers on Wall Street put the financial health of the country at risk. The question is will the government rein them in or not. FDR did it and with a smile on his face. Can Obama? Given that the financial industry is far stronger now than back then at this point I'll be surprised if anyone can stop them.

Hawke

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Hawke

They sent you home because you demonstrated that you are the kind of person who can't fairly weigh evidence and make an unbiased decision. You have a prejudice that makes you a poor candidate for a jury. They are looking for people who can set aside their own personal prejudices and make a judgment on the facts and evidence alone. You showed that you are biased and can't do that. Which is why they sent you home.

Hawke

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Hawke

I know a guy in his early fifties that just got diagnosed with cancer. They told him it's all over his abdomen. It doesn't look good. He's still going to work and so his health insurance is covering him. But he's going to start chemo-therapy soon and if that or the spread of the disease prevents him from working he'll lose his job, and with the job will go the insurance. If he loses his job no insurance company will take on someone who already has cancer. Which means he will be without any insurance. So what then? Spend every dime he has? Become destitute and then go on some government sponsored program? Whatever, it looks like he's screwed. Now that's the same as no coverage in my mind. And that is what happens to all of you the minute you get too sick to work. Bye, bye job, bye, bye insurance, bye bye to everything you have. Great health care system, huh?

Hawke

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Hawke

Given the current court rulling this week corporations will be able to give us the best politians money can buy. Politics will change in that our country will be managed in corporate fashion and bean counters will rule. With the money from wall street and bankers the leftists marxists and socialists will now be replaced with free market capitolists. Expect a huge downsize of government when the corporations take over.

Best Regards Tom.

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azotic

Having been involved in litigation as a plaintiff and defendant i can tell you as a matter of fact that a jury never sees the facts only what the lawyers want them to believe are the facts. They guy that makes up better facts wins.

If the glove dont fit you must aquit.

Best Regards Tom.

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azotic

F. George McDuffee wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Read the latest report from the BLS.

IIRC, 46% of working age citizens were not employed. The highest ever.

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D Murphy

I thought that he could continue his insurance for 18 months based on the COBRA law? For cancer, though, 18 months usually does not amount to much.

Yes, it sucks.

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Ignoramus27518

Cobra isn't free--instead of your employer paying the premiums now you get to pay them yourself.

Opps there goes your savings account and / or 401k...

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Brother Lightfoot

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