Who the hell would want to do that crap for a living? It's hard work. The cycle times average 1-3 minutes, just enough time to be busy as hell. Too damn crammed in, things happen way too fast. As hard as I try by the third piece I'm at 100% rapid, it's like an addiction.
Screw this, it's damn near manual labor. Bought myself a 2" digi mitatoya mic, 50 millionths version, and it didn't chear me up. That's proof this cnc lathe crap sux.
I wanna run a lazer! I wanna think outside the box the lazer machine came in!! Screw this barberic lathe crap!! Well...It does make shit shiny, and afterall, that's what it's all about in the end...
Seriously, who can say the cnc lathe is their favorite process? No, not manual lathe, that's a different process altogether. The cnc lathe? Nobody I bet.
my 2nd cnc job out of a cnc course was on a cnc lathe- within the 1st hour I was really regreting taking the job- I forced myself to wait beyond the probationary 3 months before looking elsewhere just to prove to myself and anyone else that I can do a job no mater how much I hate it but beware, that mind numbing repetitious task can have long term consequences; you'll forget too much stuff you'll need to relearn afterwards- stay away if you want to use you brain
I started my CNC career on CNC lathes. You have to make a 3 D object with 2 axii. The per side thing drills holes in most peoples brains. You have taper to deal with, threads, chatter, finishes, blind hole boring, I.D. oil grooves, partial radii, and parabolas. Do that without FillintheblankCam 10 hours a day plus 8 hours on Saturday for 10 or so years and you can figure out any other machine that is made. Good lathe guys transition easier to mills than good mill guys transition to lathes. Thats not a judgement, just an observation. Lathes take a while to understand, but once you do it will make you a better mill guy. Keep at it and learn something new every day and you own some experience you didn't have before. Enjoy the opportunity. Maybe someday you can really make your head explode and program a swiss or a multi axis lathe. Not much software to make it easy. There is the opportunity.
Fanuc 3T...I'll replace the blown driver in the rs232 port one of these days but much less financial risk is involved if I make sure and have a working mobo in spares first because those pcb's are several layers deep...
Meanwhile, not a big deal to simply write programs the old fashioned way and then key in while standing at the control...use bob to generate the odd snippet where there's blended radii or taper.
Very astute observation! Most of the guys I've met and myself included, who started out on the mills, are, were, have been at the very least uncomfortable going from mill to lathe, something about the missing axis :), and the lathe can "eat" itself a lot faster than any mill, with or without a cad/cam assist, thus making it that much more "scary", and it can throw a part a looooong way, break a tool in the mill and most of the time, you can get to the machine to hit the panic button, break a lathe tool, and it might throw the part at you!
For the most part, I enjoy the lathe, it takes more effort to set up sometimes, as in changing tools, small work window etc, I have a HAAS SL-30, so my shoulders fit in ok, at another shop I ran a Hyundai live tool machine, setups were a bitch, I couldn't get both hands inside the machine at the same time, (my shoulders are about 30" wide and the door opening was about 24"). Programming was cool, but proving the program was just a tad bit on the sketchy side. All that said, the lathe can out produce the mill by a longshot for productivity, and when I get THAT job with the small groove at the bottom of that small bore in 304 or
4XXX material it can be a real challenge, er, learning experience.
And Vinny, iffn yer new to a CNC lathe DO NOT RUN ANYTHING OUT OF THE BACK OF THE SPINDLE FARTHER THAN A FEW INCHES!!!! without support, it WILL turn 90 degrees to the spindle and become the deadliest whip than a machine can make, I have personally witnessed 3 guys, one is dead, 2 are damaged for life that ran something out the back a fair distance, and when they turned the spindle on (thinking it was set to "slow") the bar turned 90 and the dead guy leaned over to see what the vibration was, (y'all can do the math there), he lost his head in an instant, the other two got the shit beat outta their arms when they tried to "stabilize" the smaller diameter bar with their hand!
Lathes are not for the meek or stupid, cnc or manual.
Starting to like mine, Hyundai HIT-18S, Beats standing in font of the Lansing making one at a time for hours. Just starting to get used to the control. a Siemens 840C, VS the Fanuc 0MC on my VMC.
My biggest problem is having only 8 tool postions to work with. and only 3 ID holders at the moment.
Now a lathe with live tooling, that would be fun. I still have to take parts from the lathe to the mill for cross holes and slots.
Yeah, this was part of my learning curve. Whole thing was over in about
2 seconds. No sooner did I hear and feel the vibration, when I was suddenly standing in a cloud of white dust that microseconds before had been part of the sheetrock wall behind the lathe. It was an engine lathe with a foot brake, and my reflexive instincts were to stomp that thing as hard as I could!
I've always loved intricate work on an engine lathe. But I really love knocking out parts on my Omniturn. One job I run every few months or so are simple flat and stepped delrin washers. Have a TV in the shop, and I stand there watching the History channel and knocking down $150/hr, and I don't even have a bar feed. Gotta love that! Wish that job came around more often...
Very astute observation! Most of the guys I've met and myself included, who started out on the mills, are, were, have been at the very least uncomfortable going from mill to lathe, something about the missing axis :),
******** Actually the first machine I ran was a mori seki lathe. But we are talking 25 years ago approx, and that thing was huge. This one im on now is friggen tiny, all the same stuff crammed in a shoe box.
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and the lathe can "eat" itself a lot faster than any mill, with or without a cad/cam assist, thus making it that much more "scary",
********* Now your hitting the nail on the head.
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and it can throw a part a looooong way, break a tool in the mill and most of the time, you can get to the machine to hit the panic button, break a lathe tool, and it might throw the part at you!
For the most part, I enjoy the lathe, it takes more effort to set up sometimes, as in changing tools, small work window etc, I have a HAAS SL-30, so my shoulders fit in ok, at another shop I ran a Hyundai live tool machine, setups were a bitch, I couldn't get both hands inside the machine at the same time, (my shoulders are about 30" wide and the door opening was about 24"). Programming was cool, but proving the program was just a tad bit on the sketchy side. All that said, the lathe can out produce the mill by a longshot for productivity, and when I get THAT job with the small groove at the bottom of that small bore in 304 or
4XXX material it can be a real challenge, er, learning experience.
And Vinny, iffn yer new to a CNC lathe DO NOT RUN ANYTHING OUT OF THE BACK OF THE SPINDLE FARTHER THAN A FEW INCHES!!!! without support, it WILL turn 90 degrees to the spindle and become the deadliest whip than a machine can make, I have personally witnessed 3 guys, one is dead, 2 are damaged for life that ran something out the back a fair distance, and when they turned the spindle on (thinking it was set to "slow") the bar turned 90 and the dead guy leaned over to see what the vibration was, (y'all can do the math there), he lost his head in an instant, the other two got the shit beat outta their arms when they tried to "stabilize" the smaller diameter bar with their hand!
***** nice. Thanks for the "heads up". (sorry, that was cold)
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Lathes are not for the meek or stupid, cnc or manual.
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****** What I don't like is the run times. Super fast no matter what your doing. I'm not lazy, but id rather run 3 slow machines than one fast machine. (guess thats left over from years of wire and edm)
What I had to do this time is set the lathe up from scratch, get all the tooling, get the cam up and running with a good post and toolist, etc...oh, and yah, make parts. It was a little overwhelming considering ive only ran cnc lathes and not setup or programmed for one. Luckily I found advice from places like this newsgroup or I would still be lathing those parts lol
yep, im in the same boat with the id holders. I have 1 of each size, but most of the round tooling is the same diameter. I will say this, compared to manual or conversational lathes, this cnc is FFAST!!!!
With sfm being dependent on table traverse speed, table accelleration and subsequent reversal becomes too difficult to execute using electronics due to the sheer mass involved with the large gantry type machines.
So while a few remain in their original form today as planers and way grinders, most of them were converted in the 50's and 60's into planer mills and profile milling machines using hydraulic tracers and then later into nc milling machines using vickers proportioning valves and vacuum tube servo amps only to be retrofitted yet again into full cnc by adding ballscrews and servo motors.
"PrecisionmachinisT" wrote in news:J- adnYX2wI8WmPHRnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@scnresearch.com:
To quote that stupid TV commericial with the two yaloos barbequing, "Thats just all kinds of wrong!"
What progess! Now we have two operators to do what should be unattended broaching. And we can run the stroke twice what it should be! At least we don't have to crank the table and spin the chuck by hand.
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