Stem Cell Research is a GO

Stem cell research was never forbidden. Just with federal money paying for it. If it is so good, why not the drug companies footing the bill?

Amen. Sue

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this is very complicated. Once one reads about this technically they find the illegal stem cells are pretty much worthless. Not one anything has ever been used or found un them to do nadda. Legal cells used all the time is kicking total ass.

it's just another troll like global warming.

The stem cell research bush kept illegal is useless. Anybody who invest an hour researching will agree.

More propaganda.

New nick suggestion for cliff "Propaganda Cliff"

Because they're not interested in your health. They're interested in making as much money as possible with as little risk as possible. Like all biologic-treatment research, it's too close to basic research for private corporations to take the risk. There are better ways for them to make money, such as inventing new weight-loss pills. That's where the big money is.

If you care about your health, or for a cure for a disease or condition some relative or friend may have, you have to support the university research, and that means federal money.

If you don't care, no problem. You can just ignore it or pretend there's another way, to avoid challenging your spiritual beliefs. It's no skin off your nose, after all.

-- Ed Huntress

90% of most drugs are developed with government money / university research and then the drug companies take it the last 10% and patent it. Calif, Bankrupt California, voted to support stem cell research. With taxpayer $$$$$$$$$$ and the writers of the proposition put in that the state could not make a profit from it. Idiot voters passed the law.

The research universities have a huge patent portfolio bringing in megabucks to them. They can afford to pay for the reseach. Harvard has $37 billion endowment. And they spend about $10 million of that a year. Talk about ripping off the people.

You didn't attend Harvard, did you Bill?

You're talking to a guy who worked for the pharmaceutical industry for four years. Would you like to re-phrase your answer as a question? It would be a good idea.

Yes? And?

-- Ed Huntress

That's nice. Do you know the numbers for basic research as a whole? They aren't all Harvard.

-- Ed Huntress

Studies show that 93% of all statistics offered on usenet were either fabricated on the spot or if independantly supported were the result of faulty research.

He should be talking to the shareholders I guess...

Suggest he should head northwards--I'll wave as he passes by...keep going...pretty sure a few villiages in Alaska still needing an idiot...

Cites ?

And the not so idiot voters knew that they would like someday to receive the benefits from the money put into scientific research. Like in the form of new medications, procedures, and innovations, that will inevitably come from putting money into medical research. That's pretty smart if you ask me. Not like republicans who don't want to spend the money and then die from some horrible disease.

Hawke

Sure man, if you believe all the propaganda and do zip for research except reading huffingtons blog, it prolly lokks that simple. In fact going to the moon looks pretty damn simple to the naked eye also...doesn't make it so.

Havn't been to any nutcase blogs yet if thats what you mean.

ewtn. And after watching that I seen a book review. Looked up the info after that on google. Seems it's a big ass troll. Stem cell research is working, in fact seen some chick on the news that had a larnx grown and put in her throat. Those came from adult stem cells. The real winner is embillical cord stem cells, where people are paying to have their kids stem celss frozen when born. lots of hopeful stuff coming from there. Baby embrio stem cells....nothing has been shown to date for them to be of any use whatsoever.

Im not a winger ya braiwashed lib. I just don't buy every lie shoved in my brain by the media and politicians.

do some learning on your own before you join the propaganda team and spew ignorance all over usenet.

there's all kinds of stem cells. Bone marrow has been used successfully for a long time now in bone marrow transplants. they come from adults.

********** nor for cliff but for open minded people: ****** pasted** Practical Results No currently approved treatments have been obtained using embryonic stem cells. There are no human trials-despite all the hype and all the media. After 20 years of research, embryonic stem cells haven't been used to treat people because the cells are unproven and unsafe. They tend to produce tumors, cause transplant rejection, and form the wrong kinds of cells.

Private investors aren't funding embryonic stem cell research. They are funding adult stem cell research, which is an ethical alternative. Some of the most startling advancements using adult stem cells have come in treating Parkinson's disease, juvenile diabetes, and spinal cord injuries.

The scientific data on embryonic stem cell research simply does not support continued investment in research. Even if the research were successful, it is morally bankrupt and endangers women. Federal funding should not be used to pay for research that many Americans know is morally wrong and scientifically unsound. That makes embryonic stem cell research a bad investment for our tax dollars.

Philip H. Coelho: Let's take a look at three sources of stem cells: embryonic stem cells, adult bone marrow stem cells, and neo-natal cord blood stem cells. Embryonic stem cells have theoretical advantages: they can become all the different tissues of the body and they have a whole life's worth of cell divisions available to them. But they have also triggered malignant carcinomas in animals, and so researchers are cautious about expecting any clinical trials using embryonic stem cells in the near term.

Adult stem cells are typically drawn from the bone marrow of patients. They also have advantages and have been used clinically about 30,000 times. They do have some disadvantages, however: there are risks to the donor during extraction; there is significant risk of transmission of infectious disease from donor to recipient; and the cells have the potential for fewer divisions.

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Her'es a web page showing a video from the heritage foundation. It has 3 panelists commenting on it. All three are highly educated, semi famous people. And it's live.

The heritage foundation seems to be non political.

Believe what you want, vote for who you want, give your money to who you want. be a slave to propaganda if it makes you feel like the republicans are finally getting the punishment they deserve?

Or whatever cliffs motives are for buying every piece of nonsence the liberal nitcases are throwing at him.

(crossposting into alt.usenet.kooks?)

Jeesh...some people have no pride whatsoever.

Because after 20 years or so of experimentation, the only thing they've managed to do with the embryo's, is kill them.

Matt

*********** It's a big deal to get the government on board because individual investors wont put a dime into it. Not because of the moral issues, but because after 20 years of no returns what idiot would put money in that?

I like that number. d8-)

It seems they have a strong self-focus wherever he was working. The university researchers do develop most of the small-molecule drug precursors these days, but the vastly larger investment is done by private pharma. And they spend most of their money on clinical studies, not on marketing, overall.

-- Ed Huntress

Looks like you'll be rearing test tube babies for all kinds of research now.

Don't settle in Anchor Point, AK. They've got my ex-husband. Sue

Embryos? Nah...theve managed to spit em out, nearly full term, in batches of 8

Croque M>Looks like you'll be rearing test tube babies for all kinds of

When they develop a detectable inside and outside, they'll each get a name...and they'll have a star named after them.

This will be done very carefully so they aren't mixed up with the blastocysts of tapeworms or parakeets, from which they'll be indistinguishable without DNA testing.

-- Ed Huntress