On Sun, 25 Jul 2004 17:23:27 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (e) wrote:
But SO WAS THE ORIGINAL!
And it was so, so damned much better...
Hell, I just watched 'Thunderbirds are Go!' on UK TV, one of the
original Thunderbirds movies, and it fair made the old heart soar...
The Zero-X was one of the greatest designs ever.
We used to but Comcrap decided we didn't need it anymore. They left the
channel open for two years then stuck C-span2 in there. There went my
Westerns Wednesday along with lunch with Hoppy.
Bill Banaszak, MFE
I'm not surprised at that. From what I've seen they've butchered the
original and only taken parts of it. The most glaring piece of stupidity is
changing LP's pink Rolls Royce to a Ford (or possibly something else of
unknown origin), they claim to have been faithful to the original in that it
had to have 6 wheels (4 at the front) and a bubble canopy. They missed the
most important part of the whole concept was that it WAS a Rolls Royce! LP
was English, had a cockney butler and lived in a stately mansion and drove,
that most iconic of British cars, a Rolls Royce. Not just any old Rolls
Royce, hers was pink, something RR would never do but, such was her
influence, she got them to do it. That told you more about the character
than anything else, something which seems to have passed the scrip writers
Add to that Jeff Tracy seems to have got younger by 25 years, as has
everyone else, TB5 now looks like an overgrown MIR, TB2 now has EIGHT pods
(are they kidding or what?), TB4 looks like something they'd explore the
Titanic with and god knows what they've done to Firefly, it looks like it's
made out of Lego bricks. On top of that they now have SILVER uniforms
without IR insignia.
Add to that the script, from what I've heard, is poor and all you've got is
a recipe to annoy generations of TB fans.
Its seems they have NO idea what made the series so appealing to so many
people, all this abomination is is a vehicle for the current trend for using
super duper special effects just for the sake of it. Just as they managed to
butcher one British classic film (The Italian Job, in LA for Gods sake!)
they have now managed to do the same to another British classic, all for the
sake of a buck or two.
Not sure whether this is true, but I was told that Rolls Royce were first
choice to produce the car for the film but they turned it down because it
would be too costly to build. As a result the contract was handed over to
Saw a doc on the making of this travesty two nights ago, they built the car
themselves, and its pretty functional, certainly driveable. I just can't
believe they couldn't grasp WHY it was a RR originally, no wonder Gerry
Anderson hated it. Lady P was as English as they get, why would they think
she'd drive a pink Ford???
It's just such a shame, they had the chance to pay homage to genuine classic
and they didn't even bother to find out what made the series what it was. I
think JF thought he was still on the bloody Enterprise!
There's two stories circulating about why Lady P's car isn't a Rolls.
1: Rolls Royce declined on the grounds that they didn't have the time
to design and build the new car.
2: They didn't want to know because they thought the film would suck
and they didn't want Rolls Royce to be connected with a turkey.
Believe which story you want.
What puzzles me is that a full sized FAB 1 already exists. It was built
in the 60's to promote the two Thunderbirds puppet movies. OK, it's not
road legal, but it would've saved the film makers a heap of money. It's
also the only car in the world that's allowed to wear the Rolls Royce badge,
but wasn't built by Rolls. It's actually a cut down Bedford bus.
I've read Anderson's autobiograhy - Rolls Royce didn't want a bar of the
original Thunderbirds either when it was first pitched to them. Their
involvement came from within rather than from what was pitched at them.
The trailer looks good imo, and I've got a good excuse to go and see it
even if I have to drag my 7 yr old kicking and screeming.
That's the bottom line. They know it wasn't that widely available in the US
so few peolpe know, or care for, the original. The majority of people who
would be upset by it are in the UK, so who cares, right?
For "fast flowing and action packed" read: minimal script (at least not one
with any substance) and huge over use of special effects (just because we
Of course maximising the $$ are the prime concern and if rumours are
correct with the Tracy clan being youngish, then it sure to set up for a
sequel which seems to be where the big dollars are.. I tend to think that
if returned dollars ulimately drive the movie market then we are in real
trouble - there will be no more the likes of Alan Ladd Jr's prepared to
put the family jewels on the line for what they believe will be the likes
of a modern day Star Wars: A New Hope. I'll give the Thunderbirds the
benefit of the doubt till after I've seen it.
From what I gathered from most of Anderson's work was they were all
targeted at the US market, especially the Thunderbirds. The UK was not
particularly healthy place in the 60's with huge taxes and struggling film
industry so it needed the audience and associated dollars from the US. The
American accents and the naming of the Tracy sons after the Mercury 7
astronauts being a case in point.
Well yeah, and it's why I loved the original series - the models were real
as were the pyrotechnics.
Actually even more so Stingray. Stingray was, I believe, the first
ever UK TV series filmed entirely in colour, at a time when there were
virtually no colour TVs in the UK! But there were plenty in the US...
Gerry Anderson's shows, especially Thunderbirds, were made for the
generation that played with Meccano and Lego, and built Airfix models
(in the UK you didn't build Scale Models or model aircraft, you built
AIRFIX models - even if the box said 'Monogram' - a bit like people
nowadays who Hoover the carpet with a Dyson :-). Kids who knew
perfectly well these were models, and understood how that connected
them to the show. Nowadays, kids PLAY computer games, but they cannot
connect to CGI in the same way, it doesn't physically exist.
I can also remember an article in FSM around 1992 where a guy
scratch-built a beautiful TB-1 and FSM's editorial caption said something
about a Thunderbirds being a "short lived, long forgotton TV show" - which
always amused me because (A) it was anything but short lived (it ran for
two seasons and two popular feature films) and (B) it had remained the
most popular of GA's show for decades (especially in the UK and Japan) and
was currently (in 92) going through a massive ressaissance with a whole
new generation thanks to the BBC buying the rights and screening the shows
on a Friday tea-time slot.
I remember that too, the modeller was from IPMS Barnet IIRC (Greek sounding
name)and he's still building large scale SF stuff. I could be wrong of
course, it may have been an American modeller being, as it was, FSM. I still
have Comet Miniatures TB1 sitting up in the loft, I guess now would be as
good a time as any to dig it out and finish it!
As you say Jon, it was anything BUT short lived and certainly not forgotton,
as this thread well proves.
Two seasons, does not *really* illustrate "long-lived" though...lol.
Perhaps, that is the British series average (even considering Dr. Who).
But, that does remind me of a *great* Simpson's line. The family
was watching PBS...and the PBS "pledge drive" dude came on to say that
the network would soon air a marathon of Britain's longest-running
comedy series....and that they would be showing *all**four**episodes* !!
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