Open ground for a washing machine - quick fix ?

Nope, no need. The only purpose of the exam is to limit the number of "qualified" electricians, keeping the salary (and cost) high. Quite anti-capitalistic. Note the most stringent requirements for licenses are in the most socialistic cities.

Why bother? Unless it's BillyG's mansion, there aren't too many choices.

Likely because it makes no sense.

Like I said before, you're have an over-inflated sense of self-worth. Your skills are a dime a dozen, even if your license isn't.

There is evidence that you're a racist, too.

Put it this way. If you want to hire an electrician we demand $35 an hour, plus $5.50 and hour for health insurance, $3.50 and hour on the pension and $2.00 and hour for the annuity. Any work over 8 hours a day from Monday to Friday is double time, Saturday is time and one half for the first 8 hours then double time for ove 8 hours, and Sunday is double time all day. Labor day is worked at triple time and other hoildays at double time. We have electricians grossing at over $4 THOUSAND a week on some jobs. Take it or leave it. The arguments are over. That is why we have unions and that is why we have contracts. And we have plenty contractors willing to hire us. After their markup, work goes at about $120 to $200 and hour. We really don't care what you think. You have a lot to learn.

I assume it is easier for you to call me a name, than to logically and factually refute what I said. But that would take leaving your emotions behind, and using your head. It would take developing enough spine to be honest about what is before you. Try to remember that convention does not equal factuality or morality.

And if you are not a Democrat, you have to be able to somehow justify supporting causes you find reprehensible in order to work under the union umbrella. The real strength in union membership is what we have been discussing, namely the qualifications and training level of the electrician. Unfortunately for the union world, they do not enjoy the near-total monopoly they once had on how their image was represented. The explosion in free dissemination of information resulting from the internet, and by the dissolution of the Fairness Doctrine in electronic media has exposed lots of left-wing horse-shit for what it really is. This explains why unions have all but retreated from private building projects and now cling to their last bastion of hope, which is government contracting and maintenance. It also explains why Democrats are working like Santa's Elf's at placing limits on free speech in the internet realm, and at reviving the Fairness Doctrine.

P.S. Can anyone explain the apparent dichotomy between the stated revulsion by unions at the influx of criminal immigrant labor, and the simultaneous attempt to organize them in cities such as Los Angeles, and Chicago?

The main thing one needs to work "under the union umbrella" is enough smarts to figure out what will get you the best job.

That's the only thing you said which makes a lick of sense. The rest of this was simply astounding in the level of imagination it takes to come up with these ideas!

There must be commies under the bed. Get your mother to sweep them out. You'll feel safer, too, if you get a night light so that it's never really dark.

from a 208 volt

the 480 volt

I forgot to add, for remote jobs such as on the Alaska's north slope oil fields and trans-Alaska pipeline we demand and receive free board and room. My dad went on strike in 1959 for the board and room benefit and it remains as part of every work agreement today. This free board and room in most cases consist of free cleaning of rooms and bathrooms, laundry facilities, and three course hot meals three times a day. We expect New York or T-bone steak at least twice a week and prime rib usually on Sundays. Also a snack room with free ice cream, deserts, coffee, etc. is open 24 hours a day. My adversaries here can piss and moan all they want about whether or not we deserve these benefits and the pay or that we are qualified, but evidently someone thinks we are qualified or else they would not pay the price for qualified, licensed IBEW electricians, now would they? And those paying the price are the one's that count.

I forgot to add, for remote jobs such as on the Alaska's north slope oil fields and trans-Alaska pipeline we demand and receive free board and room. My dad went on strike in 1959 for the board and room benefit and it remains as part of every work agreement today. This free board and room in most cases consist of free cleaning of rooms and bathrooms, laundry facilities, and three course hot meals three times a day. We expect New York or T-bone steak at least twice a week and prime rib usually on Sundays. Also a snack room with free ice cream, deserts, coffee, etc. is open 24 hours a day. My adversaries here can piss and moan all they want about whether or not we deserve these benefits and the pay or that we are qualified, but evidently someone thinks we are qualified or else they would not pay the price for qualified, licensed IBEW electricians, now would they? And those paying the price are the one's that count.

Not calling you a name, rather simply stating a fact. You've made it quite clear that you indeed are a racist.

What's that got to do with the subject.

Yes, that's part of our problem. Unions are choking industry (and eventually themselves).

Whoopie!

Why do I care?

What's this all got to do with house wiring?

from a 208 volt

the 480 volt

I don't want, that's the issue. The job *might* be worth $15/hr.

So what?

I understand unions completely. You don't have to state the obvious.

Is that a pun, of sorts, or are you truly unaware that unions are an outgrowth of the American Communist Party?

No, because a "racist" is someone with an unreasonable dislike or hatred of a group of people different than his own. I don't hate any group, and what I talk about is founded in facts. Facts I come by because I don't let popular thought and PC ideas become a comfortable substitute for looking at the world critically.

Wrong. It's one who sees the world through the blinders of skin color. That would be you.

So, in other words, if we were to change the shade of skin on negroes, they would look, think and act like white folk? Or would they act like Chinese if we shaded them like that? If you think skin color is the only difference between the races, you are dumber than a crate of anvils.

Q.E.D.

It is good to see that you rest your case upon my assertions. I think you have learned something here. Now, if you could learn that being obscure is merely a pathetic attempt at appearing bright, you could be well on your way to something positive.

I wasn't resting *your* case. You are a racist.

That you're a racist, yes. An idiot, yes.

If you think I'm being obscure, it's only because you're too stupid to follow along.