Why would anyone want to be an engineer in the USA today?

Dec 23, 2005 66 Replies

I regret spending just 3 years to get a Certificate/Diploma in EE. I hate to think how much of my parents' money I used getting a piece of paper. I've never tried to become a PE, but if I did I would have very little range of choice if I wanted to work as an engineer. Getting a job on a Help Desk is not so difficult. I could even get a job doing field work. But anyone who wants to have a life would want to avoid doing blue collar work.

True. We go to work and interact with those bipedal lifeforms, trying to model their behaviour and thinking, with randomised state machines. It's not so bad when they keep changing their methods trying to get a result. But when they keep changing their objectives, the engineer has to start all over again. And they wonder why it takes so long.

But one can always pretend to be something else, like a salesman. On the weekend we can go home and build robots. No-one need ever know about our little "habit".

That's right for teenagers. Some of us spend our spend time pulling things apart to see how they work, and making things instead of chasing the opposite sex. We mis-spend our youth studying while the humanities students go to parties, build contacts and have a life. What hope do we have when we leave the education system and have minimal experience with people? The emphasis in our modern world is on good customer service. Customers don't seem to care if they're getting good value, a quality product or if their problem gets fixed. As long as they're getting good customer service they're happy for now. The salesman pockets his commission and laughs about the scam he just pulled on the customer. It's the poor engineer who has to go and sort out the mess later when the customer realises all is not well.

Sig: "Whether you believe you can do a thing or not, you are right." -Henry Ford

On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 19:31:00 -0500, "Pop" Gave us:

Hey! RETARD BOY... do NOT top post in Usenet!

My name is from a comedy film, and is a nym.

You can't possibly be that stupid.

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:56:15 +1030, Rotes Sapiens Gave us:

Sounds to me like you are biased from the start. Not a good attitude to have.... at all.

If "PE" is the same as the UK "CEng", then I could not disagree more. I simply could not list here all the range of work I have done as an engineer - the range of choices that I have had is several magnitudes greater.

I have no idea why you are mentioning "Help Desk", "Blue Collar Work", in the context of being an engineer. "Field Work", which I take to mean designing and implementing a professional solution to an engineering problem, using the resources to hand, is often the most fun, most satisfying and most challenging. I have certainly saved one life by such endeavours and probably quite a few more, doing something that others didn't think was possible.

I can't even comprehend where you are coming from on this. Requirements analysis is a key part of the engineering design process. A good engineer will anticipate what the customer really wants, whilst designing what the customer thinks he wants...

is one of the biggest challenges..LOL. "Pretend" to be a sales(wo)man! Selling yourself and your ideas is a vital part of being an engineer. An engineer will want to bring in the best engineering solution - which will often be innovative. Getting non-engineer management to buy into a non-standard solution to a problem The bigger the problem, the more innovative the solution, the better salesperson you have to be. Dare I say it, especially if you are a woman?

Nope, you may say you are pulling them apart to "see how they work". Actually, you are pulling them apart because it is *there*. Like mountaineers facing a particularly tricky ice-wall, a sealed box with wires/pipes coming out of it is a challenge..

The "opposite sex" thing is a problem. Most men, even the most liberated, do not respond well to a woman who knows more about cars, engines, plumbing, welding, than they. I think it makes them feel inadequate... every man I have ever got close to has made it clear he prefers me in lace to denim..24 hours a day..though

When I get fed up with trying to cram stuff into my brain, I will let you know. There is still so very, very, very much that I don't understand but wish I did...

Erm, so? The salesman goes home and looks forward to his holidays. The engineer goes on holiday and looks forward to getting back to work...

Well, 'most men' have a problem with *anybody* that knows more about, 'cars, engines, plumbing, etc...' I don't think the problem is limited to just women that know more.

Just look at some of the arguments that sprout in many of these news groups. Many of the major, "you're an idiot, I'm right" threads are between men.

Maybe it's genetic ;-)

daestrom

On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 18:47:35 GMT, "daestrom" Gave us:

No. It is because 99.9999% of you that are in the idiot crew have no grasp of fits and tolerances, much less issues such as surface quality or flatness. I won't even go into thermal management. It's a given that your grasp of things electrical, molecular, or atomic will be even worse.

Hell, if you can't sweat or glue a plumbing fitting, you should have yourself committed. That is easier than an erector set was at five yo. It is certainly easier than setting the clock on your VCR.

Damn when did I become a salesman? ;-)

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